[Sur] URGENT action needed

[Walter Bender]

I presume we need a motion and a vote on this. Time is of the essence, so
please respond ASAP.

Motion: Samson Goddy has been selected as a Sugar Labs representative to
the Google Summer of Code mentor summit. He has requested a travel advance
to cover the costs of his visa application. The advance, including wire
fees comes to $US 627.05. This motion is to approve the travel advance. (As
additional background, Google will be covering up to $2200 in travel
expenses for two representatives to attend the summit. Since our other
representative is local to the SF area, the bulk of that money would be
available to cover Samson's travel, so the net impact on SL funds will be
negligible.

regards.

-walter


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Accounting at Software Freedom Conservancy <
***@sfconservancy.org>
Date: Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 4:16 PM
Subject: URGENT request for Sugar Labs to approve of US$627.05 advance for
Goddy for GSoC Mentor Summit (was: Is Goddy actually requesting $160 ?)
To: ***@sfconservancy.org
Cc: Martin Michlmayr <***@sfconservancy.org>, Samson Goddy <
***@gmail.com>


Sugar Labs PLC, please urgently page down to the all caps section below.

Samson,

Samson Goddy wrote at 08:52 (EDT) on Wednesday:
> it has been 5 days, i already made request to ***@sfconservancy.org for
> funding. Since it takes up to 15 working days(3 weeks) for the embassy to
> accept appointment for interview.
>
> I haven't heard anything from both parties.

Unfortunately, We are waiting for someone from Sugar Labs to reply to
approve the expense. I don't know why they haven't replied.

SUGAR LABS PLC: By my calculation, Samson is asking for this:

FOR TRAVEL TO GET A VISA, AND FOR THE VISA FEES ITSELF, SAMSON GODDY ASKS
FOR A CASH ADVANCE OF TRAVEL EXPENSES (TO COME TO GSOC MENTOR SUMMIT
2017). The totals are as follows:

If we use western union, N202,350 = $570 (rate set by WU)

If we use wire, he's asking for 561+(561*.05)+13+25 = US$627.05 to be
wired.
wire fees

If Sugar Labs PLC replies with approval before Sunday night US/Eastern, we
can likely process a payment by wire on Monday.


We don't typically use Western Union, and it would be substantial effort for
us to do that, so we'd like Sugar to approve the additional wire fees as
it will make payment more rapid for Samson and easier for Conservancy.

Samson, your request was a bit ramble-y, so if I gleaned the wrong totals
above, please correct them.

Samson, in preparation for Sugar Labs PLC hopefully approving this request,
could you let me know if the wire instructions I used for you before are
still correct, and if not, send me new ones?

--
Bradley M. Kuhn
Distinguished Technologist of Software Freedom Conservancy
|------> & also, de-facto Bookkeeper for the moment
Pls support Conservancy!: https://sfconservancy.org/supporter/



--
Walter Bender
Sugar Labs
http://www.sugarlabs.org
<http://www.sugarlabs.org>

[rosamel norma ramirez mendez]

Aprobado!
Saludos Cordiales
Rosamel Ramírez
Uruguay

Enviado desde mi iPhone

El 10 ago. 2017, a las 17:44, Walter Bender <***@gmail.com<mailto:***@gmail.com>> escribió:

I presume we need a motion and a vote on this. Time is of the essence, so please respond ASAP.

Motion: Samson Goddy has been selected as a Sugar Labs representative to the Google Summer of Code mentor summit. He has requested a travel advance to cover the costs of his visa application. The advance, including wire fees comes to $US 627.05. This motion is to approve the travel advance. (As additional background, Google will be covering up to $2200 in travel expenses for two representatives to attend the summit. Since our other representative is local to the SF area, the bulk of that money would be available to cover Samson's travel, so the net impact on SL funds will be negligible.

regards.

-walter


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Accounting at Software Freedom Conservancy <***@sfconservancy.org<mailto:***@sfconservancy.org>>
Date: Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 4:16 PM
Subject: URGENT request for Sugar Labs to approve of US$627.05 advance for Goddy for GSoC Mentor Summit (was: Is Goddy actually requesting $160 ?)
To: ***@sfconservancy.org<mailto:***@sfconservancy.org>
Cc: Martin Michlmayr <***@sfconservancy.org<mailto:***@sfconservancy.org>>, Samson Goddy <***@gmail.com<mailto:***@gmail.com>>


Sugar Labs PLC, please urgently page down to the all caps section below.

Samson,

Samson Goddy wrote at 08:52 (EDT) on Wednesday:
> it has been 5 days, i already made request to ***@sfconservancy.org<mailto:***@sfconservancy.org> for
> funding. Since it takes up to 15 working days(3 weeks) for the embassy to
> accept appointment for interview.
>
> I haven't heard anything from both parties.

Unfortunately, We are waiting for someone from Sugar Labs to reply to
approve the expense. I don't know why they haven't replied.

SUGAR LABS PLC: By my calculation, Samson is asking for this:

FOR TRAVEL TO GET A VISA, AND FOR THE VISA FEES ITSELF, SAMSON GODDY ASKS
FOR A CASH ADVANCE OF TRAVEL EXPENSES (TO COME TO GSOC MENTOR SUMMIT
2017). The totals are as follows:

If we use western union, N202,350 = $570 (rate set by WU)

If we use wire, he's asking for 561+(561*.05)+13+25 = US$627.05 to be wired.
wire fees

If Sugar Labs PLC replies with approval before Sunday night US/Eastern, we
can likely process a payment by wire on Monday.


We don't typically use Western Union, and it would be substantial effort for
us to do that, so we'd like Sugar to approve the additional wire fees as
it will make payment more rapid for Samson and easier for Conservancy.

Samson, your request was a bit ramble-y, so if I gleaned the wrong totals
above, please correct them.

Samson, in preparation for Sugar Labs PLC hopefully approving this request,
could you let me know if the wire instructions I used for you before are
still correct, and if not, send me new ones?

--
Bradley M. Kuhn
Distinguished Technologist of Software Freedom Conservancy
|------> & also, de-facto Bookkeeper for the moment
Pls support Conservancy!: https://sfconservancy.org/supporter/



--
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Sugar Labs
http://www.sugarlabs.org
<http://www.sugarlabs.org>
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[Ignacio Rodríguez]

It's +1 from me. Let's hope SFC provide some money in advance this time.

On Thu, Aug 10, 2017, 6:42 PM rosamel norma ramirez mendez <
***@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Aprobado!
> Saludos Cordiales
> Rosamel Ramírez
> Uruguay
>
> Enviado desde mi iPhone
>
> El 10 ago. 2017, a las 17:44, Walter Bender <***@gmail.com>
> escribió:
>
> I presume we need a motion and a vote on this. Time is of the essence, so
> please respond ASAP.
>
> Motion: Samson Goddy has been selected as a Sugar Labs representative to
> the Google Summer of Code mentor summit. He has requested a travel advance
> to cover the costs of his visa application. The advance, including wire
> fees comes to $US 627.05. This motion is to approve the travel advance. (As
> additional background, Google will be covering up to $2200 in travel
> expenses for two representatives to attend the summit. Since our other
> representative is local to the SF area, the bulk of that money would be
> available to cover Samson's travel, so the net impact on SL funds will be
> negligible.
>
> regards.
>
> -walter
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Accounting at Software Freedom Conservancy <
> ***@sfconservancy.org>
> Date: Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 4:16 PM
> Subject: URGENT request for Sugar Labs to approve of US$627.05 advance for
> Goddy for GSoC Mentor Summit (was: Is Goddy actually requesting $160 ?)
> To: ***@sfconservancy.org
> Cc: Martin Michlmayr <***@sfconservancy.org>, Samson Goddy <
> ***@gmail.com>
>
>
> Sugar Labs PLC, please urgently page down to the all caps section below.
>
> Samson,
>
> Samson Goddy wrote at 08:52 (EDT) on Wednesday:
> > it has been 5 days, i already made request to ***@sfconservancy.org
> for
> > funding. Since it takes up to 15 working days(3 weeks) for the embassy to
> > accept appointment for interview.
> >
> > I haven't heard anything from both parties.
>
> Unfortunately, We are waiting for someone from Sugar Labs to reply to
> approve the expense. I don't know why they haven't replied.
>
> SUGAR LABS PLC: By my calculation, Samson is asking for this:
>
> FOR TRAVEL TO GET A VISA, AND FOR THE VISA FEES ITSELF, SAMSON GODDY ASKS
> FOR A CASH ADVANCE OF TRAVEL EXPENSES (TO COME TO GSOC MENTOR SUMMIT
> 2017). The totals are as follows:
>
> If we use western union, N202,350 = $570 (rate set by WU)
>
> If we use wire, he's asking for 561+(561*.05)+13+25 = US$627.05 to be
> wired.
> wire fees
>
> If Sugar Labs PLC replies with approval before Sunday night US/Eastern, we
> can likely process a payment by wire on Monday.
>
>
> We don't typically use Western Union, and it would be substantial effort
> for
> us to do that, so we'd like Sugar to approve the additional wire fees as
> it will make payment more rapid for Samson and easier for Conservancy.
>
> Samson, your request was a bit ramble-y, so if I gleaned the wrong totals
> above, please correct them.
>
> Samson, in preparation for Sugar Labs PLC hopefully approving this request,
> could you let me know if the wire instructions I used for you before are
> still correct, and if not, send me new ones?
>
> --
> Bradley M. Kuhn
> Distinguished Technologist of Software Freedom Conservancy
> |------> & also, de-facto Bookkeeper for the moment
> Pls support Conservancy!: https://sfconservancy.org/supporter/
>
>
>
> --
> Walter Bender
> Sugar Labs
> http://www.sugarlabs.org
> <http://www.sugarlabs.org>
>
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[Laura Vargas]

Walter,

-1 since there are still US$7.000 from last Google's programs we
participated still uncollected and currently we have no way of assuring we
will collect Google's funds this time.


Regards



2017-08-10 15:44 GMT-05:00 Walter Bender <***@gmail.com>:

> I presume we need a motion and a vote on this. Time is of the essence, so
> please respond ASAP.
>
> Motion: Samson Goddy has been selected as a Sugar Labs representative to
> the Google Summer of Code mentor summit. He has requested a travel advance
> to cover the costs of his visa application. The advance, including wire
> fees comes to $US 627.05. This motion is to approve the travel advance. (As
> additional background, Google will be covering up to $2200 in travel
> expenses for two representatives to attend the summit. Since our other
> representative is local to the SF area, the bulk of that money would be
> available to cover Samson's travel, so the net impact on SL funds will be
> negligible.
>
> regards.
>
> -walter
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Accounting at Software Freedom Conservancy <
> ***@sfconservancy.org>
> Date: Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 4:16 PM
> Subject: URGENT request for Sugar Labs to approve of US$627.05 advance for
> Goddy for GSoC Mentor Summit (was: Is Goddy actually requesting $160 ?)
> To: ***@sfconservancy.org
> Cc: Martin Michlmayr <***@sfconservancy.org>, Samson Goddy <
> ***@gmail.com>
>
>
> Sugar Labs PLC, please urgently page down to the all caps section below.
>
> Samson,
>
> Samson Goddy wrote at 08:52 (EDT) on Wednesday:
> > it has been 5 days, i already made request to ***@sfconservancy.org
> for
> > funding. Since it takes up to 15 working days(3 weeks) for the embassy to
> > accept appointment for interview.
> >
> > I haven't heard anything from both parties.
>
> Unfortunately, We are waiting for someone from Sugar Labs to reply to
> approve the expense. I don't know why they haven't replied.
>
> SUGAR LABS PLC: By my calculation, Samson is asking for this:
>
> FOR TRAVEL TO GET A VISA, AND FOR THE VISA FEES ITSELF, SAMSON GODDY ASKS
> FOR A CASH ADVANCE OF TRAVEL EXPENSES (TO COME TO GSOC MENTOR SUMMIT
> 2017). The totals are as follows:
>
> If we use western union, N202,350 = $570 (rate set by WU)
>
> If we use wire, he's asking for 561+(561*.05)+13+25 = US$627.05 to be
> wired.
> wire fees
>
> If Sugar Labs PLC replies with approval before Sunday night US/Eastern, we
> can likely process a payment by wire on Monday.
>
>
> We don't typically use Western Union, and it would be substantial effort
> for
> us to do that, so we'd like Sugar to approve the additional wire fees as
> it will make payment more rapid for Samson and easier for Conservancy.
>
> Samson, your request was a bit ramble-y, so if I gleaned the wrong totals
> above, please correct them.
>
> Samson, in preparation for Sugar Labs PLC hopefully approving this request,
> could you let me know if the wire instructions I used for you before are
> still correct, and if not, send me new ones?
>
> --
> Bradley M. Kuhn
> Distinguished Technologist of Software Freedom Conservancy
> |------> & also, de-facto Bookkeeper for the moment
> Pls support Conservancy!: https://sfconservancy.org/supporter/
>
>
>
> --
> Walter Bender
> Sugar Labs
> http://www.sugarlabs.org
> <http://www.sugarlabs.org>
>
> _______________________________________________
> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
> ***@lists.sugarlabs.org
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[Walter Bender]

On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 8:24 AM, Laura Vargas <***@somosazucar.org> wrote:

> Walter,
>
> -1 since there are still US$7.000 from last Google's programs we
> participated still uncollected and currently we have no way of assuring we
> will collect Google's funds this time.
>

Google has been consistently paying us for almost 10 years. The fact that
we have not yet seen the $7000 from GCI is an SFC interface issue.

The fact that we are about to jeopardize Samson's opportunity to represent
SL at the GSoC summit is mind-boggling.

-walter

>
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> 2017-08-10 15:44 GMT-05:00 Walter Bender <***@gmail.com>:
>
>> I presume we need a motion and a vote on this. Time is of the essence, so
>> please respond ASAP.
>>
>> Motion: Samson Goddy has been selected as a Sugar Labs representative to
>> the Google Summer of Code mentor summit. He has requested a travel advance
>> to cover the costs of his visa application. The advance, including wire
>> fees comes to $US 627.05. This motion is to approve the travel advance. (As
>> additional background, Google will be covering up to $2200 in travel
>> expenses for two representatives to attend the summit. Since our other
>> representative is local to the SF area, the bulk of that money would be
>> available to cover Samson's travel, so the net impact on SL funds will be
>> negligible.
>>
>> regards.
>>
>> -walter
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Accounting at Software Freedom Conservancy <
>> ***@sfconservancy.org>
>> Date: Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 4:16 PM
>> Subject: URGENT request for Sugar Labs to approve of US$627.05 advance
>> for Goddy for GSoC Mentor Summit (was: Is Goddy actually requesting $160 ?)
>> To: ***@sfconservancy.org
>> Cc: Martin Michlmayr <***@sfconservancy.org>, Samson Goddy <
>> ***@gmail.com>
>>
>>
>> Sugar Labs PLC, please urgently page down to the all caps section below.
>>
>> Samson,
>>
>> Samson Goddy wrote at 08:52 (EDT) on Wednesday:
>> > it has been 5 days, i already made request to ***@sfconservancy.org
>> for
>> > funding. Since it takes up to 15 working days(3 weeks) for the embassy
>> to
>> > accept appointment for interview.
>> >
>> > I haven't heard anything from both parties.
>>
>> Unfortunately, We are waiting for someone from Sugar Labs to reply to
>> approve the expense. I don't know why they haven't replied.
>>
>> SUGAR LABS PLC: By my calculation, Samson is asking for this:
>>
>> FOR TRAVEL TO GET A VISA, AND FOR THE VISA FEES ITSELF, SAMSON GODDY
>> ASKS
>> FOR A CASH ADVANCE OF TRAVEL EXPENSES (TO COME TO GSOC MENTOR SUMMIT
>> 2017). The totals are as follows:
>>
>> If we use western union, N202,350 = $570 (rate set by WU)
>>
>> If we use wire, he's asking for 561+(561*.05)+13+25 = US$627.05 to be
>> wired.
>> wire fees
>>
>> If Sugar Labs PLC replies with approval before Sunday night US/Eastern, we
>> can likely process a payment by wire on Monday.
>>
>>
>> We don't typically use Western Union, and it would be substantial effort
>> for
>> us to do that, so we'd like Sugar to approve the additional wire fees as
>> it will make payment more rapid for Samson and easier for Conservancy.
>>
>> Samson, your request was a bit ramble-y, so if I gleaned the wrong totals
>> above, please correct them.
>>
>> Samson, in preparation for Sugar Labs PLC hopefully approving this
>> request,
>> could you let me know if the wire instructions I used for you before are
>> still correct, and if not, send me new ones?
>>
>> --
>> Bradley M. Kuhn
>> Distinguished Technologist of Software Freedom Conservancy
>> |------> & also, de-facto Bookkeeper for the moment
>> Pls support Conservancy!: https://sfconservancy.org/supporter/
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Walter Bender
>> Sugar Labs
>> http://www.sugarlabs.org
>> <http://www.sugarlabs.org>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
>> ***@lists.sugarlabs.org
>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Laura V.
> * I&D SomosAZUCAR.Org*
>
> “Solo la tecnología libre nos hará libres.”
> ~ Laura Victoria
>
> Happy Learning!
> #LearningByDoing
> #Projects4good
> #IDesignATSugarLabs
> #WeCanDoBetter
>



--
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Sugar Labs
http://www.sugarlabs.org
<http://www.sugarlabs.org>

[Laura Vargas]

2017-08-11 8:54 GMT-05:00 Avni Khatri <***@kidsoncomputers.org>:

>
>
> On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 9:05 AM, Samuel Cantero <***@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> mind-boggling indeed. SL has been in GSoC and GCI for years. I'm not a
>> board member but +1 for sure.
>>
>>
> +1
>


Hello Avni,

I agree with you it should be clearly defined who in Sugar Labs is
responsible for Google's collections.

Resources in Sugar Labs are limited and historically we had lost a lot of
opportunities because uncollected grant, please research on Trip Advisor's
case when lack of clear responsibility for collection let to an
unbelievable lack of collection of US$40.000 for internationalization's
projects.

Responsibility isn't clear at this point.

About the Financial Manager role, it was created by the Board on July's
decisions last year, still they never appointed anyone for the role.

In the meanwhile, Adam has continue serving as the *representative for
Sugar Labs* with the Software Freedom Conservancy since last period. Still,
this role doesn't account for any financial responsibility according to
current Governance <https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Governance>.

I'm sorry we still don't have a wiki page that would easily resolve any
financial question to the community. It is a tendency I'm hoping to revert
by proposing the

*Motion 2017-08-10: Sugar Labs Financial Manager to have a monthly
compensation.*

Regards,
Laura V



>
>
>> On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 9:02 AM, Walter Bender <***@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 8:24 AM, Laura Vargas <***@somosazucar.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Walter,
>>>>
>>>> -1 since there are still US$7.000 from last Google's programs we
>>>> participated still uncollected and currently we have no way of assuring we
>>>> will collect Google's funds this time.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Google has been consistently paying us for almost 10 years. The fact
>>> that we have not yet seen the $7000 from GCI is an SFC interface issue.
>>>
>>> The fact that we are about to jeopardize Samson's opportunity to
>>> represent SL at the GSoC summit is mind-boggling.
>>>
>>> -walter
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2017-08-10 15:44 GMT-05:00 Walter Bender <***@gmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> I presume we need a motion and a vote on this. Time is of the essence,
>>>>> so please respond ASAP.
>>>>>
>>>>> Motion: Samson Goddy has been selected as a Sugar Labs representative
>>>>> to the Google Summer of Code mentor summit. He has requested a travel
>>>>> advance to cover the costs of his visa application. The advance, including
>>>>> wire fees comes to $US 627.05. This motion is to approve the travel
>>>>> advance. (As additional background, Google will be covering up to $2200 in
>>>>> travel expenses for two representatives to attend the summit. Since our
>>>>> other representative is local to the SF area, the bulk of that money would
>>>>> be available to cover Samson's travel, so the net impact on SL funds will
>>>>> be negligible.
>>>>>
>>>>> regards.
>>>>>
>>>>> -walter
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>> From: Accounting at Software Freedom Conservancy <
>>>>> ***@sfconservancy.org>
>>>>> Date: Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 4:16 PM
>>>>> Subject: URGENT request for Sugar Labs to approve of US$627.05 advance
>>>>> for Goddy for GSoC Mentor Summit (was: Is Goddy actually requesting $160 ?)
>>>>> To: ***@sfconservancy.org
>>>>> Cc: Martin Michlmayr <***@sfconservancy.org>, Samson Goddy <
>>>>> ***@gmail.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sugar Labs PLC, please urgently page down to the all caps section
>>>>> below.
>>>>>
>>>>> Samson,
>>>>>
>>>>> Samson Goddy wrote at 08:52 (EDT) on Wednesday:
>>>>> > it has been 5 days, i already made request to
>>>>> ***@sfconservancy.org for
>>>>> > funding. Since it takes up to 15 working days(3 weeks) for the
>>>>> embassy to
>>>>> > accept appointment for interview.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I haven't heard anything from both parties.
>>>>>
>>>>> Unfortunately, We are waiting for someone from Sugar Labs to reply to
>>>>> approve the expense. I don't know why they haven't replied.
>>>>>
>>>>> SUGAR LABS PLC: By my calculation, Samson is asking for this:
>>>>>
>>>>> FOR TRAVEL TO GET A VISA, AND FOR THE VISA FEES ITSELF, SAMSON GODDY
>>>>> ASKS
>>>>> FOR A CASH ADVANCE OF TRAVEL EXPENSES (TO COME TO GSOC MENTOR SUMMIT
>>>>> 2017). The totals are as follows:
>>>>>
>>>>> If we use western union, N202,350 = $570 (rate set by WU)
>>>>>
>>>>> If we use wire, he's asking for 561+(561*.05)+13+25 = US$627.05 to
>>>>> be wired.
>>>>> wire fees
>>>>>
>>>>> If Sugar Labs PLC replies with approval before Sunday night
>>>>> US/Eastern, we
>>>>> can likely process a payment by wire on Monday.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> We don't typically use Western Union, and it would be substantial
>>>>> effort for
>>>>> us to do that, so we'd like Sugar to approve the additional wire fees
>>>>> as
>>>>> it will make payment more rapid for Samson and easier for Conservancy.
>>>>>
>>>>> Samson, your request was a bit ramble-y, so if I gleaned the wrong
>>>>> totals
>>>>> above, please correct them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Samson, in preparation for Sugar Labs PLC hopefully approving this
>>>>> request,
>>>>> could you let me know if the wire instructions I used for you before
>>>>> are
>>>>> still correct, and if not, send me new ones?
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Bradley M. Kuhn
>>>>> Distinguished Technologist of Software Freedom Conservancy
>>>>> |------> & also, de-facto Bookkeeper for the moment
>>>>> Pls support Conservancy!: https://sfconservancy.org/supporter/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Walter Bender
>>>>> Sugar Labs
>>>>> http://www.sugarlabs.org
>>>>> <http://www.sugarlabs.org>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
>>>>> ***@lists.sugarlabs.org
>>>>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Laura V.
>>>> * I&D SomosAZUCAR.Org*
>>>>
>>>> “Solo la tecnología libre nos hará libres.”
>>>> ~ Laura Victoria
>>>>
>>>> Happy Learning!
>>>> #LearningByDoing
>>>> #Projects4good
>>>> #IDesignATSugarLabs
>>>> #WeCanDoBetter
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Walter Bender
>>> Sugar Labs
>>> http://www.sugarlabs.org
>>> <http://www.sugarlabs.org>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Sugar-devel mailing list
>>> Sugar-***@lists.sugarlabs.org
>>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>>>
>>>
>>
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>>
>
>


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~ Laura Victoria

Happy Learning!
#LearningByDoing
#Projects4good
#IDesignATSugarLabs
#WeCanDoBetter

[Caryl Bigenho]

Why are most of these messages coming through with no content? Messages from Walter, Avni, and Laura had headers and footers only, no other content.


Caryl

________________________________
From: IAEP <iaep-***@lists.sugarlabs.org> on behalf of Laura Vargas <***@somosazucar.org>
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2017 7:08:06 AM
To: Avni Khatri
Cc: Sugar-dev Devel; Samuel Cantero; OLPC para usuarios, docentes, voluntarios y administradores; SLOBs; iaep
Subject: Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] URGENT action needed



2017-08-11 8:54 GMT-05:00 Avni Khatri <***@kidsoncomputers.org<mailto:***@kidsoncomputers.org>>:


On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 9:05 AM, Samuel Cantero <***@gmail.com<mailto:***@gmail.com>> wrote:
mind-boggling indeed. SL has been in GSoC and GCI for years. I'm not a board member but +1 for sure.


+1


Hello Avni,

I agree with you it should be clearly defined who in Sugar Labs is responsible for Google's collections.

Resources in Sugar Labs are limited and historically we had lost a lot of opportunities because uncollected grant, please research on Trip Advisor's case when lack of clear responsibility for collection let to an unbelievable lack of collection of US$40.000 for internationalization's projects.

Responsibility isn't clear at this point.

About the Financial Manager role, it was created by the Board on July's decisions last year, still they never appointed anyone for the role.

In the meanwhile, Adam has continue serving as the representative for Sugar Labs with the Software Freedom Conservancy since last period. Still, this role doesn't account for any financial responsibility according to current Governance<https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Governance>.

I'm sorry we still don't have a wiki page that would easily resolve any financial question to the community. It is a tendency I'm hoping to revert by proposing the Motion 2017-08-10: Sugar Labs Financial Manager to have a monthly compensation.



Regards,
Laura V



On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 9:02 AM, Walter Bender <***@gmail.com<mailto:***@gmail.com>> wrote:


On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 8:24 AM, Laura Vargas <***@somosazucar.org<mailto:***@somosazucar.org>> wrote:
Walter,

-1 since there are still US$7.000 from last Google's programs we participated still uncollected and currently we have no way of assuring we will collect Google's funds this time.

Google has been consistently paying us for almost 10 years. The fact that we have not yet seen the $7000 from GCI is an SFC interface issue.

The fact that we are about to jeopardize Samson's opportunity to represent SL at the GSoC summit is mind-boggling.

-walter


Regards



2017-08-10 15:44 GMT-05:00 Walter Bender <***@gmail.com<mailto:***@gmail.com>>:
I presume we need a motion and a vote on this. Time is of the essence, so please respond ASAP.

Motion: Samson Goddy has been selected as a Sugar Labs representative to the Google Summer of Code mentor summit. He has requested a travel advance to cover the costs of his visa application. The advance, including wire fees comes to $US 627.05. This motion is to approve the travel advance. (As additional background, Google will be covering up to $2200 in travel expenses for two representatives to attend the summit. Since our other representative is local to the SF area, the bulk of that money would be available to cover Samson's travel, so the net impact on SL funds will be negligible.

regards.

-walter


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Accounting at Software Freedom Conservancy <***@sfconservancy.org<mailto:***@sfconservancy.org>>
Date: Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 4:16 PM
Subject: URGENT request for Sugar Labs to approve of US$627.05 advance for Goddy for GSoC Mentor Summit (was: Is Goddy actually requesting $160 ?)
To: ***@sfconservancy.org<mailto:***@sfconservancy.org>
Cc: Martin Michlmayr <***@sfconservancy.org<mailto:***@sfconservancy.org>>, Samson Goddy <***@gmail.com<mailto:***@gmail.com>>


Sugar Labs PLC, please urgently page down to the all caps section below.

Samson,

Samson Goddy wrote at 08:52 (EDT) on Wednesday:
> it has been 5 days, i already made request to ***@sfconservancy.org<mailto:***@sfconservancy.org> for
> funding. Since it takes up to 15 working days(3 weeks) for the embassy to
> accept appointment for interview.
>
> I haven't heard anything from both parties.

Unfortunately, We are waiting for someone from Sugar Labs to reply to
approve the expense. I don't know why they haven't replied.

SUGAR LABS PLC: By my calculation, Samson is asking for this:

FOR TRAVEL TO GET A VISA, AND FOR THE VISA FEES ITSELF, SAMSON GODDY ASKS
FOR A CASH ADVANCE OF TRAVEL EXPENSES (TO COME TO GSOC MENTOR SUMMIT
2017). The totals are as follows:

If we use western union, N202,350 = $570 (rate set by WU)

If we use wire, he's asking for 561+(561*.05)+13+25 = US$627.05 to be wired.
wire fees

If Sugar Labs PLC replies with approval before Sunday night US/Eastern, we
can likely process a payment by wire on Monday.


We don't typically use Western Union, and it would be substantial effort for
us to do that, so we'd like Sugar to approve the additional wire fees as
it will make payment more rapid for Samson and easier for Conservancy.

Samson, your request was a bit ramble-y, so if I gleaned the wrong totals
above, please correct them.

Samson, in preparation for Sugar Labs PLC hopefully approving this request,
could you let me know if the wire instructions I used for you before are
still correct, and if not, send me new ones?

--
Bradley M. Kuhn
Distinguished Technologist of Software Freedom Conservancy
|------> & also, de-facto Bookkeeper for the moment
Pls support Conservancy!: https://sfconservancy.org/supporter/



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[Laura Vargas]

2017-08-11 9:23 GMT-05:00 Samson Goddy <***@gmail.com>:

>
>
> On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 3:08 PM, Laura Vargas <***@somosazucar.org>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> 2017-08-11 8:54 GMT-05:00 Avni Khatri <***@kidsoncomputers.org>:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 9:05 AM, Samuel Cantero <***@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> mind-boggling indeed. SL has been in GSoC and GCI for years. I'm not a
>>>> board member but +1 for sure.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> +1
>>>
>>
>>
>> Hello Avni,
>>
>> I agree with you it should be clearly defined who in Sugar Labs is
>> responsible for Google's collections.
>>
>> Resources in Sugar Labs are limited and historically we had lost a lot of
>> opportunities because uncollected grant, please research on Trip Advisor's
>> case when lack of clear responsibility for collection let to an
>> unbelievable lack of collection of US$40.000 for internationalization's
>> projects.
>>
>> Responsibility isn't clear at this point.
>>
>> About the Financial Manager role, it was created by the Board on July's
>> decisions last year, still they never appointed anyone for the role.
>>
>> In the meanwhile, Adam has continue serving as the *representative for
>> Sugar Labs* with the Software Freedom Conservancy since last period.
>> Still, this role doesn't account for any financial responsibility according
>> to current Governance
>> <https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Governance>.
>>
>> I'm sorry we still don't have a wiki page that would easily resolve any
>> financial question to the community. It is a tendency I'm hoping to revert
>> by proposing the
>>
>> *Motion 2017-08-10: Sugar Labs Financial Manager to have a monthly
>> compensation.*
>>
> First i see no reason for this decision, after the comments from walter's
> and i quote.
>
> "Google has been consistently paying us for almost 10 years. The fact that
> we have not yet seen the $7000 from GCI is an SFC interface issue."
>
> Sugar Labs not receiving $7k from GCI was a problem from SFC. This
> discussion is unhealthy for this motion because it serves as a distraction.
>


Samson,

On the contrary I would have no problem to vote +1 on this motion if we had
already a clearly defined and fairly compensated Financial Manager
responsible for the numbers (this includes tracking collections and
payments) on our quarterly reports.

I hope the best for you.


Regards,


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[Sameer Verma]

On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 11:50 AM, Laura Vargas <***@somosazucar.org> wrote:
>
>
> 2017-08-11 9:23 GMT-05:00 Samson Goddy <***@gmail.com>:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 3:08 PM, Laura Vargas <***@somosazucar.org>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2017-08-11 8:54 GMT-05:00 Avni Khatri <***@kidsoncomputers.org>:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 9:05 AM, Samuel Cantero <***@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> mind-boggling indeed. SL has been in GSoC and GCI for years. I'm not a
>>>>> board member but +1 for sure.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> +1
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello Avni,
>>>
>>> I agree with you it should be clearly defined who in Sugar Labs is
>>> responsible for Google's collections.
>>>
>>> Resources in Sugar Labs are limited and historically we had lost a lot of
>>> opportunities because uncollected grant, please research on Trip Advisor's
>>> case when lack of clear responsibility for collection let to an unbelievable
>>> lack of collection of US$40.000 for internationalization's projects.
>>>
>>> Responsibility isn't clear at this point.
>>>
>>> About the Financial Manager role, it was created by the Board on July's
>>> decisions last year, still they never appointed anyone for the role.
>>>
>>> In the meanwhile, Adam has continue serving as the representative for
>>> Sugar Labs with the Software Freedom Conservancy since last period. Still,
>>> this role doesn't account for any financial responsibility according to
>>> current Governance.
>>>
>>> I'm sorry we still don't have a wiki page that would easily resolve any
>>> financial question to the community. It is a tendency I'm hoping to revert
>>> by proposing the Motion 2017-08-10: Sugar Labs Financial Manager to have a
>>> monthly compensation.
>>>
>>>
>> First i see no reason for this decision, after the comments from walter's
>> and i quote.
>>
>> "Google has been consistently paying us for almost 10 years. The fact that
>> we have not yet seen the $7000 from GCI is an SFC interface issue."
>>
>> Sugar Labs not receiving $7k from GCI was a problem from SFC. This
>> discussion is unhealthy for this motion because it serves as a distraction.
>
>
>
> Samson,
>
> On the contrary I would have no problem to vote +1 on this motion if we had
> already a clearly defined and fairly compensated Financial Manager
> responsible for the numbers (this includes tracking collections and
> payments) on our quarterly reports.

The two motions are separate. Let's keep those that way.

Sameer

>
> I hope the best for you.
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
> --
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>
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> ~ Laura Victoria
>
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[Samson Goddy]

Please i encourage people that haven't voted yet should please do. As SFC
promise to wire transfer on Monday if this motion pass on or before Sunday.

Samson

On Aug 12, 2017 1:00 AM, "James Cameron" <***@laptop.org> wrote:

> I'm not a board member, or a member, but my opinion is that Sugar Labs
> should approve the $US 627.05 travel advance for Samson Goddy.
>
> Having said that, I'm going off topic in reply to Laura below;
>
> On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 09:08:06AM -0500, Laura Vargas wrote:
> > I agree with you it should be clearly defined who in Sugar Labs is
> > responsible for Google's collections.
>
> Disagree. The oversight board is responsible. Jointly and severally;
> which means each board member is responsible, and the board as a whole
> is responsible. As an organisation with no staff, the board is all
> there is.
>
> > Resources in Sugar Labs are limited and historically we had lost a
> > lot of opportunities because uncollected grant, please research on
> > Trip Advisor's case when lack of clear responsibility for collection
> > let to an unbelievable lack of collection of US$40.000 for
> > internationalization's projects.
> >
> > Responsibility isn't clear at this point.
>
> Disagree. The oversight board is responsible.
>
> > About the Financial Manager role, it was created by the Board on
> > July's decisions last year, still they never appointed anyone for
> > the role.
>
> Agreed.
>
> Regardless of whether a Finance Manager is appointed, the board
> remains responsible. The board can't shift that responsibility by
> appointing a Finance Manager.
>
> However, a Finance Manager can greatly help the board, so my
> recommendation is that the board appoint one as they had intended.
>
> > In the meanwhile, Adam has continue serving as the representative
> > for Sugar Labs with the Software Freedom Conservancy since last
> > period. Still, this role doesn't account for any financial
> > responsibility according to current [3] Governance.
> >
> > I'm sorry we still don't have a wiki page that would easily resolve
> > any financial question to the community. It is a tendency I'm hoping
> > to revert by proposing the Motion 2017-08-10: Sugar Labs Financial
> > Manager to have a monthly compensation.
>
> I'll reply to this on the other thread.
>
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[Adam Holt]

Because Samson Goddy is our close friend and clearly should go to San
Francisco for GSoC, it is tempting to send him a personal loan.

But for Sugar Labs to provide loans to our personal friends is a dangerous
precedent frought with moral and ethical hazards.

As such, personally my conscience forces me to abstain from all such
matters.

I strongly encourage others to provide Samson the $627.05 personal loan he
in fact does need, if Sugar Labs cannot.

*It will make a gigantic difference, and you will have a friend for life in
Samson Goddy, who is likely to move forward accomplishing truly incredible
things in his life.*


On Aug 13, 2017 2:54 AM, "Lionel Laské" <***@gmail.com> wrote:


Because Adam is our Financial contact, I would like to hear from him before
voting.
In the meantime my vote could be considering as "Abstain".

Lionel.


2017-08-12 15:27 GMT-07:00 Tabitha Roder <***@tabitha.net.nz>:

> I think Sugar Labs should approve the $US 627.05 travel advance for
> Samson Goddy.
> Tabitha
>
>
> On Aug 11, 2017 8:44 AM, "Walter Bender" <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I presume we need a motion and a vote on this. Time is of the essence, so
>> please respond ASAP.
>>
>> Motion: Samson Goddy has been selected as a Sugar Labs representative to
>> the Google Summer of Code mentor summit. He has requested a travel advance
>> to cover the costs of his visa application. The advance, including wire
>> fees comes to $US 627.05. This motion is to approve the travel advance. (As
>> additional background, Google will be covering up to $2200 in travel
>> expenses for two representatives to attend the summit. Since our other
>> representative is local to the SF area, the bulk of that money would be
>> available to cover Samson's travel, so the net impact on SL funds will be
>> negligible.
>>
>> regards.
>>
>> -walter
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Accounting at Software Freedom Conservancy <
>> ***@sfconservancy.org>
>> Date: Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 4:16 PM
>> Subject: URGENT request for Sugar Labs to approve of US$627.05 advance
>> for Goddy for GSoC Mentor Summit (was: Is Goddy actually requesting $160 ?)
>> To: ***@sfconservancy.org
>> Cc: Martin Michlmayr <***@sfconservancy.org>, Samson Goddy <
>> ***@gmail.com>
>>
>>
>> Sugar Labs PLC, please urgently page down to the all caps section below.
>>
>> Samson,
>>
>> Samson Goddy wrote at 08:52 (EDT) on Wednesday:
>> > it has been 5 days, i already made request to ***@sfconservancy.org
>> for
>> > funding. Since it takes up to 15 working days(3 weeks) for the embassy
>> to
>> > accept appointment for interview.
>> >
>> > I haven't heard anything from both parties.
>>
>> Unfortunately, We are waiting for someone from Sugar Labs to reply to
>> approve the expense. I don't know why they haven't replied.
>>
>> SUGAR LABS PLC: By my calculation, Samson is asking for this:
>>
>> FOR TRAVEL TO GET A VISA, AND FOR THE VISA FEES ITSELF, SAMSON GODDY
>> ASKS
>> FOR A CASH ADVANCE OF TRAVEL EXPENSES (TO COME TO GSOC MENTOR SUMMIT
>> 2017). The totals are as follows:
>>
>> If we use western union, N202,350 = $570 (rate set by WU)
>>
>> If we use wire, he's asking for 561+(561*.05)+13+25 = US$627.05 to be
>> wired.
>> wire fees
>>
>> If Sugar Labs PLC replies with approval before Sunday night US/Eastern, we
>> can likely process a payment by wire on Monday.
>>
>>
>> We don't typically use Western Union, and it would be substantial effort
>> for
>> us to do that, so we'd like Sugar to approve the additional wire fees as
>> it will make payment more rapid for Samson and easier for Conservancy.
>>
>> Samson, your request was a bit ramble-y, so if I gleaned the wrong totals
>> above, please correct them.
>>
>> Samson, in preparation for Sugar Labs PLC hopefully approving this
>> request,
>> could you let me know if the wire instructions I used for you before are
>> still correct, and if not, send me new ones?
>>
>> --
>> Bradley M. Kuhn
>> Distinguished Technologist of Software Freedom Conservancy
>> |------> & also, de-facto Bookkeeper for the moment
>> Pls support Conservancy!: https://sfconservancy.org/supporter/
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Walter Bender
>> Sugar Labs
>> http://www.sugarlabs.org
>> <http://www.sugarlabs.org>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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[Walter Bender]

Really???

I have to agree with Samson here. What is the existential risk here? How
does the risk of a travel advance to a well established community member
(and oversight board member) for a trip sponsored by a reliable funding
source with whom we have been working for years represent some "dangerous
precedent"? Regarding your suggestion that we loan the money as
individuals, the fact that I out almost $2K for money I have loaned to
community members for travel advances makes me much more wary of that
approach. It seemingly introduces an additional layer of confusion that
makes travel reimbursement all the more mired within the opaque operations
of our parent org.

-walter

On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 9:28 AM, Samson Goddy <***@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thank you Adam for the wonderful reply.
>
> On Aug 13, 2017 2:10 PM, "Adam Holt" <***@laptop.org> wrote:
>
> Because Samson Goddy is our close friend and clearly should go to San
> Francisco for GSoC, it is tempting to send him a personal loan.
>
> But for Sugar Labs to provide loans to our personal friends is a dangerous
> precedent frought with moral and ethical hazards.
>
> As such, personally my conscience forces me to abstain from all such
> matters.
>
> A quick question.. I am trying to undertsand some comments on this motion.
>
> I believe this is not the first time Google is giving money to Sugar Labs
> and i am pretty sure i am not the first person from Sugar Labs to attend
> GSOC summit.
>
> Why is this an issue, for SL to approve so SFC can give me travel advance?
>
> Dont Google pay for the travels?
>
> Why i am asking these questions is because i haven't seen such comments
> on previous travels and i certainly dont understand why it is happening
> now, at least eating up time when i should be scheduling for interview with
> the US embassy.
>
>
>
> I strongly encourage others to provide Samson the $627.05 personal loan
> he in fact does need, if Sugar Labs cannot.
>
> *It will make a gigantic difference, and you will have a friend for life
> in Samson Goddy, who is likely to move forward accomplishing truly
> incredible things in his life.*
>
> Thanks for this note.
>
>
>
> On Aug 13, 2017 2:54 AM, "Lionel Laské" <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Because Adam is our Financial contact, I would like to hear from him
> before voting.
> In the meantime my vote could be considering as "Abstain".
>
> Lionel.
>
>
> 2017-08-12 15:27 GMT-07:00 Tabitha Roder <***@tabitha.net.nz>:
>
>> I think Sugar Labs should approve the $US 627.05 travel advance for
>> Samson Goddy.
>> Tabitha
>>
>>
>> On Aug 11, 2017 8:44 AM, "Walter Bender" <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I presume we need a motion and a vote on this. Time is of the essence,
>>> so please respond ASAP.
>>>
>>> Motion: Samson Goddy has been selected as a Sugar Labs representative to
>>> the Google Summer of Code mentor summit. He has requested a travel advance
>>> to cover the costs of his visa application. The advance, including wire
>>> fees comes to $US 627.05. This motion is to approve the travel advance. (As
>>> additional background, Google will be covering up to $2200 in travel
>>> expenses for two representatives to attend the summit. Since our other
>>> representative is local to the SF area, the bulk of that money would be
>>> available to cover Samson's travel, so the net impact on SL funds will be
>>> negligible.
>>>
>>> regards.
>>>
>>> -walter
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: Accounting at Software Freedom Conservancy <
>>> ***@sfconservancy.org>
>>> Date: Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 4:16 PM
>>> Subject: URGENT request for Sugar Labs to approve of US$627.05 advance
>>> for Goddy for GSoC Mentor Summit (was: Is Goddy actually requesting $160 ?)
>>> To: ***@sfconservancy.org
>>> Cc: Martin Michlmayr <***@sfconservancy.org>, Samson Goddy <
>>> ***@gmail.com>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sugar Labs PLC, please urgently page down to the all caps section below.
>>>
>>> Samson,
>>>
>>> Samson Goddy wrote at 08:52 (EDT) on Wednesday:
>>> > it has been 5 days, i already made request to ***@sfconservancy.org
>>> for
>>> > funding. Since it takes up to 15 working days(3 weeks) for the embassy
>>> to
>>> > accept appointment for interview.
>>> >
>>> > I haven't heard anything from both parties.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, We are waiting for someone from Sugar Labs to reply to
>>> approve the expense. I don't know why they haven't replied.
>>>
>>> SUGAR LABS PLC: By my calculation, Samson is asking for this:
>>>
>>> FOR TRAVEL TO GET A VISA, AND FOR THE VISA FEES ITSELF, SAMSON GODDY
>>> ASKS
>>> FOR A CASH ADVANCE OF TRAVEL EXPENSES (TO COME TO GSOC MENTOR SUMMIT
>>> 2017). The totals are as follows:
>>>
>>> If we use western union, N202,350 = $570 (rate set by WU)
>>>
>>> If we use wire, he's asking for 561+(561*.05)+13+25 = US$627.05 to be
>>> wired.
>>> wire fees
>>>
>>> If Sugar Labs PLC replies with approval before Sunday night US/Eastern,
>>> we
>>> can likely process a payment by wire on Monday.
>>>
>>>
>>> We don't typically use Western Union, and it would be substantial effort
>>> for
>>> us to do that, so we'd like Sugar to approve the additional wire fees as
>>> it will make payment more rapid for Samson and easier for Conservancy.
>>>
>>> Samson, your request was a bit ramble-y, so if I gleaned the wrong totals
>>> above, please correct them.
>>>
>>> Samson, in preparation for Sugar Labs PLC hopefully approving this
>>> request,
>>> could you let me know if the wire instructions I used for you before are
>>> still correct, and if not, send me new ones?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Bradley M. Kuhn
>>> Distinguished Technologist of Software Freedom Conservancy
>>> |------> & also, de-facto Bookkeeper for the moment
>>> Pls support Conservancy!: https://sfconservancy.org/supporter/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Walter Bender
>>> Sugar Labs
>>> http://www.sugarlabs.org
>>> <http://www.sugarlabs.org>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
>>> ***@lists.sugarlabs.org
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[Laura Vargas]

2017-08-13 8:44 GMT-05:00 Walter Bender <***@gmail.com>:

> Really???
>
> I have to agree with Samson here. What is the existential risk here? How
> does the risk of a travel advance to a well established community member
> (and oversight board member) for a trip sponsored by a reliable funding
> source with whom we have been working for years represent some "dangerous
> precedent"? Regarding your suggestion that we loan the money as
> individuals, the fact that I out almost $2K for money I have loaned to
> community members for travel advances...
>


For everyone's reference, I believe here it is imperative to clear that:

*Sugar labs board has never approved or endorse any personal loans among
members. This practice would potentially produce long-term distortions
in **democratic
decision making.*

Regards

Laura V

makes me much more wary of that approach. It seemingly introduces an
> additional layer of confusion that makes travel reimbursement all the more
> mired within the opaque operations of our parent org.
>
> -walter
>
> On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 9:28 AM, Samson Goddy <***@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Thank you Adam for the wonderful reply.
>>
>> On Aug 13, 2017 2:10 PM, "Adam Holt" <***@laptop.org> wrote:
>>
>> Because Samson Goddy is our close friend and clearly should go to San
>> Francisco for GSoC, it is tempting to send him a personal loan.
>>
>> But for Sugar Labs to provide loans to our personal friends is a
>> dangerous precedent frought with moral and ethical hazards.
>>
>> As such, personally my conscience forces me to abstain from all such
>> matters.
>>
>> A quick question.. I am trying to undertsand some comments on this
>> motion.
>>
>> I believe this is not the first time Google is giving money to Sugar Labs
>> and i am pretty sure i am not the first person from Sugar Labs to attend
>> GSOC summit.
>>
>> Why is this an issue, for SL to approve so SFC can give me travel
>> advance?
>>
>> Dont Google pay for the travels?
>>
>> Why i am asking these questions is because i haven't seen such comments
>> on previous travels and i certainly dont understand why it is happening
>> now, at least eating up time when i should be scheduling for interview with
>> the US embassy.
>>
>>
>>
>> I strongly encourage others to provide Samson the $627.05 personal loan
>> he in fact does need, if Sugar Labs cannot.
>>
>> *It will make a gigantic difference, and you will have a friend for life
>> in Samson Goddy, who is likely to move forward accomplishing truly
>> incredible things in his life.*
>>
>> Thanks for this note.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 13, 2017 2:54 AM, "Lionel Laské" <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Because Adam is our Financial contact, I would like to hear from him
>> before voting.
>> In the meantime my vote could be considering as "Abstain".
>>
>> Lionel.
>>
>>
>> 2017-08-12 15:27 GMT-07:00 Tabitha Roder <***@tabitha.net.nz>:
>>
>>> I think Sugar Labs should approve the $US 627.05 travel advance for
>>> Samson Goddy.
>>> Tabitha
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 11, 2017 8:44 AM, "Walter Bender" <***@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I presume we need a motion and a vote on this. Time is of the essence,
>>>> so please respond ASAP.
>>>>
>>>> Motion: Samson Goddy has been selected as a Sugar Labs representative
>>>> to the Google Summer of Code mentor summit. He has requested a travel
>>>> advance to cover the costs of his visa application. The advance, including
>>>> wire fees comes to $US 627.05. This motion is to approve the travel
>>>> advance. (As additional background, Google will be covering up to $2200 in
>>>> travel expenses for two representatives to attend the summit. Since our
>>>> other representative is local to the SF area, the bulk of that money would
>>>> be available to cover Samson's travel, so the net impact on SL funds will
>>>> be negligible.
>>>>
>>>> regards.
>>>>
>>>> -walter
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>> From: Accounting at Software Freedom Conservancy <
>>>> ***@sfconservancy.org>
>>>> Date: Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 4:16 PM
>>>> Subject: URGENT request for Sugar Labs to approve of US$627.05 advance
>>>> for Goddy for GSoC Mentor Summit (was: Is Goddy actually requesting $160 ?)
>>>> To: ***@sfconservancy.org
>>>> Cc: Martin Michlmayr <***@sfconservancy.org>, Samson Goddy <
>>>> ***@gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sugar Labs PLC, please urgently page down to the all caps section
>>>> below.
>>>>
>>>> Samson,
>>>>
>>>> Samson Goddy wrote at 08:52 (EDT) on Wednesday:
>>>> > it has been 5 days, i already made request to ***@sfconservancy.org
>>>> for
>>>> > funding. Since it takes up to 15 working days(3 weeks) for the
>>>> embassy to
>>>> > accept appointment for interview.
>>>> >
>>>> > I haven't heard anything from both parties.
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately, We are waiting for someone from Sugar Labs to reply to
>>>> approve the expense. I don't know why they haven't replied.
>>>>
>>>> SUGAR LABS PLC: By my calculation, Samson is asking for this:
>>>>
>>>> FOR TRAVEL TO GET A VISA, AND FOR THE VISA FEES ITSELF, SAMSON GODDY
>>>> ASKS
>>>> FOR A CASH ADVANCE OF TRAVEL EXPENSES (TO COME TO GSOC MENTOR SUMMIT
>>>> 2017). The totals are as follows:
>>>>
>>>> If we use western union, N202,350 = $570 (rate set by WU)
>>>>
>>>> If we use wire, he's asking for 561+(561*.05)+13+25 = US$627.05 to be
>>>> wired.
>>>> wire fees
>>>>
>>>> If Sugar Labs PLC replies with approval before Sunday night US/Eastern,
>>>> we
>>>> can likely process a payment by wire on Monday.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We don't typically use Western Union, and it would be substantial
>>>> effort for
>>>> us to do that, so we'd like Sugar to approve the additional wire fees as
>>>> it will make payment more rapid for Samson and easier for Conservancy.
>>>>
>>>> Samson, your request was a bit ramble-y, so if I gleaned the wrong
>>>> totals
>>>> above, please correct them.
>>>>
>>>> Samson, in preparation for Sugar Labs PLC hopefully approving this
>>>> request,
>>>> could you let me know if the wire instructions I used for you before are
>>>> still correct, and if not, send me new ones?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Bradley M. Kuhn
>>>> Distinguished Technologist of Software Freedom Conservancy
>>>> |------> & also, de-facto Bookkeeper for the moment
>>>> Pls support Conservancy!: https://sfconservancy.org/supporter/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Walter Bender
>>>> Sugar Labs
>>>> http://www.sugarlabs.org
>>>> <http://www.sugarlabs.org>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
>>>> ***@lists.sugarlabs.org
>>>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
>>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SLOBs mailing list
>>> ***@lists.sugarlabs.org
>>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/slobs
>>>
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
>> ***@lists.sugarlabs.org
>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
>> ***@lists.sugarlabs.org
>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SLOBs mailing list
>> ***@lists.sugarlabs.org
>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/slobs
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Walter Bender
> Sugar Labs
> http://www.sugarlabs.org
> <http://www.sugarlabs.org>
>
> _______________________________________________
> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
> ***@lists.sugarlabs.org
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
>



--
Laura V.
* I&D SomosAZUCAR.Org*

“Solo la tecnología libre nos hará libres.”
~ Laura Victoria

Happy Learning!
#LearningByDoing
#Projects4good
#IDesignATSugarLabs
#WeCanDoBetter

[Samson Goddy]

I am want to say that i am *very very* disappointed of what this community
is turning into. I am certainly confuse of how some decisions are been made
for reasons that are not just worth it.

I remember asking for $2K+ as to support i and Ibiam's travel to the
scratch conference that would *benefit* the community. It was obviously
refused for reasons that make me laugh sometimes. We debated about it and
then decided to cost ibiam out the conference and reducing the support to
$500. With all the arguments, i eventually didn't prepare very well for the
schengen visa and i got rejected with no time to appeal because of the
confusion from Sugar Labs board. I lost over $600 from my personal funds
trying to get Sugar Labs stories and project down to bordeaux. Because i
believe that is the responsibility as a member of this community.

Can someone remind me again what is the "*Mission and Vision*" statement of
Sugar Labs?

Now, i was chosen based on the work i put into by helping as a mentor on
the new website to attend the mentor summit which i believe Google is
paying for not Sugar Labs, which has been over 6 years now. *Not *attending
the summit create a bad name from Sugar Labs because pay you to attend. Now
this motion is delayed because 3 in favour, 1 not-in-favour, 2 abstain
confirmed.

I need to book appointment for an interview this week and it takes up to
(15 working days) for the US embassy to approve the appointment and
according to Google i need to have a visa on or before 5th of September.

So i am asking politely, *if* the community is not comfortable with me
going to the mentor summit in SFO, i will appreciate if i will be told
today or tomorrow. So that i can stop working on my DS-160 form and so that
someone can go instead of me, especially if that person will be needing a
visa. Because i don't buy or understand this excuses.

I am very open minded, i don't get angry alot but i hate *politics.*

Samson

On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 3:11 PM, Laura Vargas <***@somosazucar.org> wrote:

>
>
> 2017-08-13 8:44 GMT-05:00 Walter Bender <***@gmail.com>:
>
>> Really???
>>
>> I have to agree with Samson here. What is the existential risk here? How
>> does the risk of a travel advance to a well established community member
>> (and oversight board member) for a trip sponsored by a reliable funding
>> source with whom we have been working for years represent some "dangerous
>> precedent"? Regarding your suggestion that we loan the money as
>> individuals, the fact that I out almost $2K for money I have loaned to
>> community members for travel advances...
>>
>
>
> For everyone's reference, I believe here it is imperative to clear that:
>
> *Sugar labs board has never approved or endorse any personal loans among
> members. This practice would potentially produce long-term distortions in **democratic
> decision making.*
>
> Regards
>
> Laura V
>
> makes me much more wary of that approach. It seemingly introduces an
>> additional layer of confusion that makes travel reimbursement all the more
>> mired within the opaque operations of our parent org.
>>
>> -walter
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 9:28 AM, Samson Goddy <***@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you Adam for the wonderful reply.
>>>
>>> On Aug 13, 2017 2:10 PM, "Adam Holt" <***@laptop.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Because Samson Goddy is our close friend and clearly should go to San
>>> Francisco for GSoC, it is tempting to send him a personal loan.
>>>
>>> But for Sugar Labs to provide loans to our personal friends is a
>>> dangerous precedent frought with moral and ethical hazards.
>>>
>>> As such, personally my conscience forces me to abstain from all such
>>> matters.
>>>
>>> A quick question.. I am trying to undertsand some comments on this
>>> motion.
>>>
>>> I believe this is not the first time Google is giving money to Sugar
>>> Labs and i am pretty sure i am not the first person from Sugar Labs to
>>> attend GSOC summit.
>>>
>>> Why is this an issue, for SL to approve so SFC can give me travel
>>> advance?
>>>
>>> Dont Google pay for the travels?
>>>
>>> Why i am asking these questions is because i haven't seen such comments
>>> on previous travels and i certainly dont understand why it is happening
>>> now, at least eating up time when i should be scheduling for interview with
>>> the US embassy.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I strongly encourage others to provide Samson the $627.05 personal loan
>>> he in fact does need, if Sugar Labs cannot.
>>>
>>> *It will make a gigantic difference, and you will have a friend for life
>>> in Samson Goddy, who is likely to move forward accomplishing truly
>>> incredible things in his life.*
>>>
>>> Thanks for this note.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 13, 2017 2:54 AM, "Lionel Laské" <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Because Adam is our Financial contact, I would like to hear from him
>>> before voting.
>>> In the meantime my vote could be considering as "Abstain".
>>>
>>> Lionel.
>>>
>>>
>>> 2017-08-12 15:27 GMT-07:00 Tabitha Roder <***@tabitha.net.nz>:
>>>
>>>> I think Sugar Labs should approve the $US 627.05 travel advance for
>>>> Samson Goddy.
>>>> Tabitha
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 11, 2017 8:44 AM, "Walter Bender" <***@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I presume we need a motion and a vote on this. Time is of the essence,
>>>>> so please respond ASAP.
>>>>>
>>>>> Motion: Samson Goddy has been selected as a Sugar Labs representative
>>>>> to the Google Summer of Code mentor summit. He has requested a travel
>>>>> advance to cover the costs of his visa application. The advance, including
>>>>> wire fees comes to $US 627.05. This motion is to approve the travel
>>>>> advance. (As additional background, Google will be covering up to $2200 in
>>>>> travel expenses for two representatives to attend the summit. Since our
>>>>> other representative is local to the SF area, the bulk of that money would
>>>>> be available to cover Samson's travel, so the net impact on SL funds will
>>>>> be negligible.
>>>>>
>>>>> regards.
>>>>>
>>>>> -walter
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>> From: Accounting at Software Freedom Conservancy <
>>>>> ***@sfconservancy.org>
>>>>> Date: Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 4:16 PM
>>>>> Subject: URGENT request for Sugar Labs to approve of US$627.05 advance
>>>>> for Goddy for GSoC Mentor Summit (was: Is Goddy actually requesting $160 ?)
>>>>> To: ***@sfconservancy.org
>>>>> Cc: Martin Michlmayr <***@sfconservancy.org>, Samson Goddy <
>>>>> ***@gmail.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sugar Labs PLC, please urgently page down to the all caps section
>>>>> below.
>>>>>
>>>>> Samson,
>>>>>
>>>>> Samson Goddy wrote at 08:52 (EDT) on Wednesday:
>>>>> > it has been 5 days, i already made request to
>>>>> ***@sfconservancy.org for
>>>>> > funding. Since it takes up to 15 working days(3 weeks) for the
>>>>> embassy to
>>>>> > accept appointment for interview.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I haven't heard anything from both parties.
>>>>>
>>>>> Unfortunately, We are waiting for someone from Sugar Labs to reply to
>>>>> approve the expense. I don't know why they haven't replied.
>>>>>
>>>>> SUGAR LABS PLC: By my calculation, Samson is asking for this:
>>>>>
>>>>> FOR TRAVEL TO GET A VISA, AND FOR THE VISA FEES ITSELF, SAMSON GODDY
>>>>> ASKS
>>>>> FOR A CASH ADVANCE OF TRAVEL EXPENSES (TO COME TO GSOC MENTOR SUMMIT
>>>>> 2017). The totals are as follows:
>>>>>
>>>>> If we use western union, N202,350 = $570 (rate set by WU)
>>>>>
>>>>> If we use wire, he's asking for 561+(561*.05)+13+25 = US$627.05 to
>>>>> be wired.
>>>>> wire fees
>>>>>
>>>>> If Sugar Labs PLC replies with approval before Sunday night
>>>>> US/Eastern, we
>>>>> can likely process a payment by wire on Monday.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> We don't typically use Western Union, and it would be substantial
>>>>> effort for
>>>>> us to do that, so we'd like Sugar to approve the additional wire fees
>>>>> as
>>>>> it will make payment more rapid for Samson and easier for Conservancy.
>>>>>
>>>>> Samson, your request was a bit ramble-y, so if I gleaned the wrong
>>>>> totals
>>>>> above, please correct them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Samson, in preparation for Sugar Labs PLC hopefully approving this
>>>>> request,
>>>>> could you let me know if the wire instructions I used for you before
>>>>> are
>>>>> still correct, and if not, send me new ones?
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Bradley M. Kuhn
>>>>> Distinguished Technologist of Software Freedom Conservancy
>>>>> |------> & also, de-facto Bookkeeper for the moment
>>>>> Pls support Conservancy!: https://sfconservancy.org/supporter/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Walter Bender
>>>>> Sugar Labs
>>>>> http://www.sugarlabs.org
>>>>> <http://www.sugarlabs.org>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
>>>>> ***@lists.sugarlabs.org
>>>>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> SLOBs mailing list
>>>> ***@lists.sugarlabs.org
>>>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/slobs
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
>>> ***@lists.sugarlabs.org
>>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
>>> ***@lists.sugarlabs.org
>>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SLOBs mailing list
>>> ***@lists.sugarlabs.org
>>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/slobs
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Walter Bender
>> Sugar Labs
>> http://www.sugarlabs.org
>> <http://www.sugarlabs.org>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
>> ***@lists.sugarlabs.org
>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Laura V.
> * I&D SomosAZUCAR.Org*
>
> “Solo la tecnología libre nos hará libres.”
> ~ Laura Victoria
>
> Happy Learning!
> #LearningByDoing
> #Projects4good
> #IDesignATSugarLabs
> #WeCanDoBetter
>

[James Cameron]

I'm also very disappointed.

I don't see a conflict of interest because of friendship; a board can
always pay members of the board for costs if they choose, even by an
advance if necessary. If friendship created a conflict of interest,
board members could never be friends.

On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 04:01:07PM +0100, Samson Goddy wrote:
>
> I am want to say that i am very very disappointed of what this community is
> turning into. I am certainly confuse of how some decisions are been made for
> reasons that are not just worth it.  
>
> I remember asking for $2K+ as to support i and Ibiam's travel to the scratch
> conference that would benefit the community. It was obviously refused for
> reasons that make me laugh sometimes. We debated about it and then decided to
> cost ibiam out the conference and reducing the support to $500. With all the
> arguments, i eventually didn't prepare very well for the schengen visa and i
> got rejected with no time to appeal because of the confusion from Sugar Labs
> board. I lost over $600 from my personal funds trying to get Sugar Labs stories
> and project down to bordeaux. Because i believe that is the responsibility as a
> member of this community. 
>
> Can someone remind me again what is the "Mission and Vision" statement of Sugar
> Labs?
>
> Now, i was chosen based on the work i put into by helping as a mentor on the
> new website to attend the mentor summit which i believe Google is paying for
> not Sugar Labs, which has been over 6 years now. Not attending the summit
> create a bad name from Sugar Labs because pay you to attend. Now this motion is
> delayed because 3 in favour, 1 not-in-favour, 2 abstain confirmed.
>
>  I need to book appointment for an interview this week and it takes up to (15
> working days) for the US embassy to approve the appointment and according to
> Google i need to have a visa on or before 5th of September.
>
> So i am asking politely, if the community is not comfortable with me going to
> the mentor summit in SFO, i will appreciate if i will be told today or
> tomorrow. So that i can stop working on my DS-160 form and so that someone can
> go instead of me, especially if that person will be needing a visa. Because i
> don't buy or understand this excuses. 
>
> I am very open minded, i don't get angry alot but i hate politics.
>
> Samson 
>
> On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 3:11 PM, Laura Vargas <[1]***@somosazucar.org> wrote:
>
> 2017-08-13 8:44 GMT-05:00 Walter Bender <[2]***@gmail.com>:
>
> Really???
>
> I have to agree with Samson here. What is the existential risk here?
> How does the risk of a travel advance to a well established community
> member (and oversight board member) for a trip sponsored by a reliable
> funding source with whom we have been working for years represent some
> "dangerous precedent"? Regarding your suggestion that we loan the money
> as individuals, the fact that I out almost $2K for money I have loaned
> to community members for travel advances...
>
> For everyone's reference, I believe here it is imperative to clear that:
>
> Sugar labs board has never approved or endorse any personal loans among
> members. This practice would potentially produce long-term distortions in
> democratic decision making.
>
> Regards
>
> Laura V
>
> makes me much more wary of that approach. It seemingly introduces an
> additional layer of confusion that makes travel reimbursement all the
> more mired within the opaque operations of our parent org.
>
> -walter
>
> On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 9:28 AM, Samson Goddy <[3]***@gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
> Thank you Adam for the wonderful reply.
>
> On Aug 13, 2017 2:10 PM, "Adam Holt" <[4]***@laptop.org> wrote:
>
> Because Samson Goddy is our close friend and clearly should go
> to San Francisco for GSoC, it is tempting to send him a
> personal loan.
>
> But for Sugar Labs to provide loans to our personal friends is
> a dangerous precedent frought with moral and ethical hazards.
>
> As such, personally my conscience forces me to abstain from all
> such matters.
>
> A quick question.. I am trying to undertsand some comments on this
> motion. 
>
> I believe this is not the first time Google is giving money to
> Sugar Labs and i am pretty sure i am not the first person from
> Sugar Labs to attend GSOC summit.
>
> Why is this an issue, for SL to approve so SFC can give me travel
> advance? 
>
> Dont Google pay for the travels? 
>
> Why i am asking these questions is because i haven't seen such
>  comments on previous travels and i certainly dont understand why
> it is happening now, at least eating up time when i should be
> scheduling for interview with the US embassy. 
>
>
> I strongly encourage others to provide Samson the $627.05
>  personal loan he in fact does need, if Sugar Labs cannot.
>
> It will make a gigantic difference, and you will have a friend
> for life in Samson Goddy, who is likely to move forward
> accomplishing truly incredible things in his life.
>
> Thanks for this note.
>
> On Aug 13, 2017 2:54 AM, "Lionel Laské" <[5]
> ***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Because Adam is our Financial contact, I would like to hear
> from him before voting.
> In the meantime my vote could be considering as "Abstain".
>
>              Lionel.
>
> 2017-08-12 15:27 GMT-07:00 Tabitha Roder <[6]
> ***@tabitha.net.nz>:
>
> I think Sugar Labs should approve the $US 627.05 travel
> advance for Samson Goddy.
> Tabitha
>
>
> On Aug 11, 2017 8:44 AM, "Walter Bender" <[7]
> ***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I presume we need a motion and a vote on this. Time
> is of the essence, so please respond ASAP.
>
> Motion: Samson Goddy has been selected as a Sugar
> Labs representative to the Google Summer of Code
> mentor summit. He has requested a travel advance to
> cover the costs of his visa application. The
> advance, including wire fees comes to $US 627.05.
> This motion is to approve the travel advance. (As
> additional background, Google will be covering up
> to $2200 in travel expenses for two representatives
> to attend the summit. Since our other
> representative is local to the SF area, the bulk of
> that money would be available to cover Samson's
> travel, so the net impact on SL funds will be
> negligible.
>
> regards.
>
> -walter
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Accounting at Software Freedom Conservancy <
> [8]***@sfconservancy.org>
> Date: Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 4:16 PM
> Subject: URGENT request for Sugar Labs to approve
> of US$627.05 advance for Goddy for GSoC Mentor
> Summit (was: Is Goddy actually requesting $160 ?)
> To: [9]***@sfconservancy.org
> Cc: Martin Michlmayr <[10]***@sfconservancy.org>,
> Samson Goddy <[11]***@gmail.com>
>
> Sugar Labs PLC,  please urgently page down to the
> all caps section below.
>
> Samson,
>
> Samson Goddy wrote at 08:52 (EDT) on Wednesday:
> > it has been 5 days, i already made request to
> [12]***@sfconservancy.org for
> > funding. Since it takes up to 15 working days(3
> weeks) for the embassy to
> > accept appointment for interview.
> >
> > I haven't heard anything from both parties.
>
> Unfortunately, We are waiting for someone from
> Sugar Labs to reply to
> approve the expense.  I don't know why they haven't
> replied.
>
> SUGAR LABS PLC: By my calculation, Samson is asking
> for this:
>
>   FOR TRAVEL TO GET A VISA, AND FOR THE VISA FEES
> ITSELF, SAMSON GODDY ASKS
>   FOR A CASH ADVANCE OF TRAVEL EXPENSES (TO COME TO
> GSOC MENTOR SUMMIT
>   2017).  The totals are as follows:
>
>   If we use western union, N202,350 = $570 (rate
> set by WU)
>
>   If we use wire, he's asking for 561+(561*.05)
> +13+25 = US$627.05 to be wired.
>                                        wire fees
>
> If Sugar Labs PLC replies with approval before
> Sunday night US/Eastern, we
> can likely process a payment by wire on Monday.
>
> We don't typically use Western Union, and it would
> be substantial effort for
> us to do that, so we'd like Sugar to approve the
> additional wire fees as
> it will make payment more rapid for Samson and
> easier for Conservancy.
>
> Samson, your request was a bit ramble-y, so if I
> gleaned the wrong totals
> above, please correct them.
>
> Samson, in preparation for Sugar Labs PLC hopefully
> approving this request,
> could you let me know if the wire instructions I
> used for you before are
> still correct, and if not, send me new ones?
>
> --
> Bradley M. Kuhn
> Distinguished Technologist of Software Freedom
> Conservancy
>  |------> & also, de-facto Bookkeeper for the
> moment
> Pls support Conservancy!: [13]https://
> sfconservancy.org/supporter/
>
>
> --
> Walter Bender
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> [15]
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> --
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> [27]
>
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[Adam Holt]

Thanks Karen for please responding to these 3 emails I sent you when
possible:

- July 12 subject line "Donation from Facebook" [paperwork required so
donations can flow to Sugar Labs]
- Aug 4 subject line "Donation from Facebook" [paperwork required so
donations can flow to Sugar Labs]
- Aug 9 subject line "Samson Goddy asks for visa supporting docs for GSoC
visit to USA" [so that his visa is less likely to be denied, as happened
around mid-June with the French Embassy]

If possible, a response would also be appreciated to this email sent to
***@sfconservancy.org :

- Aug 4 subject line "ACTION REQUIRED: GCI Grand Prize Trip and Org
Donations - Sugar Labs" [how do we work together to recover $9400 promised
by Google to ***@sfconservancy.org on April 14?]

Separately it would be extremely helpful if SFConservancy can clarify all
accounts that today continue have access to Sugar Labs' financials, and
whether it would (presumably) be very wise to deprecate several ancient
such accounts known to be created in 2008-to-2015.

Additionally can SFConservancy assist providing svn credentials to any
person(s) that the Sugar Labs Oversight Board chooses to be trustworthy
enough have live ongoing & historical access to Sugar Labs' financial
records. I'd personally motion for Laura Vargas to have such access, and
hope that other SLOBS members could confirm such in a vote during the
coming week, so that SFConservancy can then proceed if Laura Vargas is
indeed dedicating herself to this intensive task.

PS if other Board members also require detailed financial access to all
records since 2008 (now or in future) and are fully willing to stand up to
all associated responsibilities (including spending extensive time learning
the "ledger" command and protecting privacy of all) then please make that
known.

Finally thank you to Karen Sandler for pointing out that Sugar Labs
Election/Membership Committee could probably do substantially better
communicating election candidates & results @
https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2016-2017-candidates (or
similar) as was done in all prior years:

https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2015-2016-candidates
https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2014-2015-candidates
https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2013-2014-candidates
https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2012-2013-candidates
https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2011-2012-candidates
https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2010-2011-candidates
https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2009-2010-candidates


On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 11:25 PM, Karen Sandler <***@sfconservancy.org>
wrote:

>
> Hi SLOBs,
>
> Conservancy staff doesn't follow our member projects mailing lists - the
> ***@sfconservancy.org are always the official communication point
> between Conservancy and its member projects. As I hope you can appreciate,
> we have 45 member projects (including Outreachy, which has around 80
> internships per year that we administer). This thread has come to our
> attention though, and I want to clear up a few things.
>
> * Good communication with Conservancy
>
> We rely on SLOBs and the official Sugar representative to let us know when
> you approve some action and need us to do something. For example, no one
> notified us of the election results earlier in this year. In researching
> the issues that came up today, we discovered that the election happened,
> and we will update our records under the Fiscal Sponsorship Agreement (and
> the sugar@ alias) accordingly. We don't object to hiring someone to
> communicate with us or to rely on volunteers. If you do hire someone, we
> will rely on volunteers to let us know that the paid representative should
> be paid and that we can rely on their instructions (and then again if you
> decide not to have that person work for you anymore). We expect to
> communicate directly with the sugar@ alias and we cannot be expected to
> closely read mailing lists dedicated to other matters in case there is
> something mentioned that is relevant to us. We operate on a shoestring
> budget and have a staff of only 4 full time people.
>
> * Books and records
>
> As you know, we make our books available to Sugar on an ongoing basis,
> allowing you to generate your own reports. Until our accounts are closed
> for the year (and audited), there's a chance that transactions may not have
> been fully entered. Google recently switched payment methods for GCI and
> GSoC, and we haven't adjusted the bookkeeping on that yet, so it is lagging
> a bit. Google is regularly invoiced for all the GSoC and GCI funds for all
> projects, and we don't think there's any concern about payment from Google
> being uncertain. Google has never failed to pay Conservancy funds owed for
> our member projects.
>
> As we've mention before, if there is an item missing in the ledger that
> you want us to expedite checking on, just ask us.
>
> * Transparency
>
> I believe Conservancy has historically been the most transparent fiscal
> sponsor in free software, and we strive to stay that way. We are very open
> to concrete suggestions about how we can be more transparent about our
> operations (and I hope we are far from opaque)! All of our policies are
> public as are all of our filings. We make the books and records available
> to authorized project participants and strive to answer questions as
> quickly as we can[1]. We are always on IRC at #conservancy on freenode if
> you need to reach us urgently and are happy to be pinged.
>
> * Flexibility
>
> We will attempt to work with you to accomplish whatever Sugar Labs wants
> to do that is within our charitable mission to the extent that our
> resources allow. As Bradley already wrote to the sugar@ list, we can work
> with reimbursing 3rd parties or handle other unusual payment mechanisms if
> we understand that is the best or only way to accomplish the project's
> goals.
>
> I hope this is helpful. I know it's a tumultuous time for Sugar Labs, and
> I want you to make sure that we're all on the same page about how
> Conservancy operates so that we can best support the project.
>
> karen
>
> [1] Adam, I know that you have an email into me. I was on the road at
> DebConf last week and should catch up in the next day or two.
>
> _______________________________________________
> SLOBs mailing list
> ***@lists.sugarlabs.org
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/slobs
>
> --
> <http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/slobs>
> <http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/slobs>
> Unsung Heroes of OLPC, interviewed live @
> <http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/slobs>http://unleashkids.org !
>

[Karen Sandler]

On 2017-08-15 00:51, Adam Holt wrote:
> Thanks Karen for please responding to these 3 emails I sent you when
> possible:
>
> - July 12 subject line "Donation from Facebook" [paperwork required so
> donations can flow to Sugar Labs]
> - Aug 4 subject line "Donation from Facebook" [paperwork required so
> donations can flow to Sugar Labs]
> - Aug 9 subject line "Samson Goddy asks for visa supporting docs for
> GSoC visit to USA" [so that his visa is less likely to be denied, as
> happened around mid-June with the French Embassy]

Great, thanks for pointing these out! I've been on the road for most of
the time since I last wrote you on the 11th and have a significant
backlog (it's conference season, and I'm off again on Thursday). I've
picked up those email threads. As always feel free to ping me on IRC or
call me by phone if something is urgent. Generally, questions about
legal matters like visas should go to Tony Sebro, so I looped him in.
>
> If possible, a response would also be appreciated to this email sent
> to ***@sfconservancy.org :
>
> - Aug 4 subject line "ACTION REQUIRED: GCI Grand Prize Trip and Org
> Donations - Sugar Labs" [how do we work together to recover $9400
> promised by Google to ***@sfconservancy.org on April 14?]

OK, I'll ping accounting@ on this.
>
> Separately it would be extremely helpful if SFConservancy can clarify
> all accounts that today continue have access to Sugar Labs'
> financials, and whether it would (presumably) be very wise to
> deprecate several ancient such accounts known to be created in
> 2008-to-2015.

I don't understand what you mean by this. Do you mean removing access
for people who were granted access in the past? We can do that too if
appropriate. Or do you mean old accounts in the accounting system?
Perhaps let's pick this up on a private list with accounting@?

> Additionally can SFConservancy assist providing svn credentials to any
> person(s) that the Sugar Labs Oversight Board chooses to be
> trustworthy enough have live ongoing & historical access to Sugar
> Labs' financial records.  I'd personally motion for Laura Vargas to
> have such access, and hope that other SLOBS members could confirm such
> in a vote during the coming week, so that SFConservancy can then
> proceed if Laura Vargas is indeed dedicating herself to this intensive
> task.

Yes, that's fine. We generally give access to any project leadership
committee member who asks for it.

> PS if other Board members also require detailed financial access to
> all records since 2008 (now or in future) and are fully willing to
> stand up to all associated responsibilities (including spending
> extensive time learning the "ledger" command and protecting privacy of
> all) then please make that known.
>
> Finally thank you to Karen Sandler for pointing out that Sugar Labs
> Election/Membership Committee could probably do substantially better
> communicating election candidates & results @
> https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2016-2017-candidates [3]

That link doesn't seem to work.

> (or similar) as was done in all prior years:

The previous year seems to have the candidates but not the results. It's
fine (you can keep whatever wiki pages you want) but I've already been
digging for 10 minutes and other than the list of current members on the
main Oversight Board page, I don't see election result tallies that
correspond to the previous candidate page. It's very possible I'm just
missing it, but the point is that we really need to be informed by email
when the reps change, as the FSA agreement contemplates.

karen

>
> https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2015-2016-candidates [4]
> https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2014-2015-candidates [5]
> https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2013-2014-candidates [6]
> https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2012-2013-candidates [7]
> https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2011-2012-candidates [8]
> https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2010-2011-candidates [9]
> https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2009-2010-candidates [10]
>
> On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 11:25 PM, Karen Sandler
> <***@sfconservancy.org> wrote:
>
> Hi SLOBs,
>
> Conservancy staff doesn't follow our member projects mailing lists -
> the ***@sfconservancy.org are always the official communication
> point between Conservancy and its member projects. As I hope you can
> appreciate, we have 45 member projects (including Outreachy, which has
> around 80 internships per year that we administer). This thread has
> come to our attention though, and I want to clear up a few things.
>
> * Good communication with Conservancy
>
> We rely on SLOBs and the official Sugar representative to let us know
> when you approve some action and need us to do something. For example,
> no one notified us of the election results earlier in this year. In
> researching the issues that came up today, we discovered that the
> election happened, and we will update our records under the Fiscal
> Sponsorship Agreement (and the sugar@ alias) accordingly. We don't
> object to hiring someone to communicate with us or to rely on
> volunteers. If you do hire someone, we will rely on volunteers to let
> us know that the paid representative should be paid and that we can
> rely on their instructions (and then again if you decide not to have
> that person work for you anymore). We expect to communicate directly
> with the sugar@ alias and we cannot be expected to closely read mailing
> lists dedicated to other matters in case there is something mentioned
> that is relevant to us. We operate on a shoestring budget and have a
> staff of only 4 full time people.
>
> * Books and records
>
> As you know, we make our books available to Sugar on an ongoing basis,
> allowing you to generate your own reports. Until our accounts are
> closed for the year (and audited), there's a chance that transactions
> may not have been fully entered. Google recently switched payment
> methods for GCI and GSoC, and we haven't adjusted the bookkeeping on
> that yet, so it is lagging a bit. Google is regularly invoiced for all
> the GSoC and GCI funds for all projects, and we don't think there's any
> concern about payment from Google being uncertain. Google has never
> failed to pay Conservancy funds owed for our member projects.
>
> As we've mention before, if there is an item missing in the ledger that
> you want us to expedite checking on, just ask us.
>
> * Transparency
>
> I believe Conservancy has historically been the most transparent fiscal
> sponsor in free software, and we strive to stay that way. We are very
> open to concrete suggestions about how we can be more transparent about
> our operations (and I hope we are far from opaque)! All of our policies
> are public as are all of our filings. We make the books and records
> available to authorized project participants and strive to answer
> questions as quickly as we can[1]. We are always on IRC at #conservancy
> on freenode if you need to reach us urgently and are happy to be
> pinged.
>
> * Flexibility
>
> We will attempt to work with you to accomplish whatever Sugar Labs
> wants to do that is within our charitable mission to the extent that
> our resources allow. As Bradley already wrote to the sugar@ list, we
> can work with reimbursing 3rd parties or handle other unusual payment
> mechanisms if we understand that is the best or only way to accomplish
> the project's goals.
>
> I hope this is helpful. I know it's a tumultuous time for Sugar Labs,
> and I want you to make sure that we're all on the same page about how
> Conservancy operates so that we can best support the project.
>
> karen
>
> [1] Adam, I know that you have an email into me. I was on the road at
> DebConf last week and should catch up in the next day or two.
>
> _______________________________________________
> SLOBs mailing list
> ***@lists.sugarlabs.org
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/slobs
>
> --
>
> [1]
> Unsung Heroes of OLPC, interviewed live @ [1]http://unleashkids.org [2]
> !
>
>
> Links:
> ------
> [1] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/slobs
> [2] http://unleashkids.org
> [3] https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2016-2017-candidates
> [4] https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2015-2016-candidates
> [5] https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2014-2015-candidates
> [6] https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2013-2014-candidates
> [7] https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2012-2013-candidates
> [8] https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2011-2012-candidates
> [9] https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2010-2011-candidates
> [10] https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2009-2010-candidates
>
> _______________________________________________
> SLOBs mailing list
> ***@lists.sugarlabs.org
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/slobs
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[Laura Vargas]

2017-08-14 23:51 GMT-05:00 Adam Holt <***@laptop.org>:

> Thanks Karen for please responding to these 3 emails I sent you when
> possible:
> ...
> - Aug 9 subject line "Samson Goddy asks for visa supporting docs for GSoC
> visit to USA" [so that his visa is less likely to be denied, as happened
> around mid-June with the French Embassy]
>
>
Adam,

Am puzzled.

If board decision on this motion 2017-08-13
<https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/Decisions#2017-08-13> was
not to approve the travel, why are you making related requests to the
Conservancy?

This looks quite apposite to the board's decision.

Regards,

--
Laura V.
* I&D SomosAZUCAR.Org*

“Solo la tecnología libre nos hará libres.”
~ L. Victoria

Happy Learning!
#LearningByDoing
#Projects4good
#IDesignATSugarLabs
#WeCanDoBetter

[Adam Holt]

On Sep 8, 2017 7:43 AM, "Laura Vargas" <***@somosazucar.org> wrote:

2017-08-14 23:51 GMT-05:00 Adam Holt <***@laptop.org>:

> Thanks Karen for please responding to these 3 emails I sent you when
> possible:
> ...
>
> - Aug 9 subject line "Samson Goddy asks for visa supporting docs for GSoC
> visit to USA" [so that his visa is less likely to be denied, as happened
> around mid-June with the French Embassy]
>
>
Adam,

Am puzzled.

If board decision on this motion 2017-08-13
<https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/Decisions#2017-08-13> was
not to approve the travel,


You are confusing apples and oranges.

Apples: The board did not approve a large $627.05 loan/advance to Samson
for travel within Nigeria to attempt to get a US visa. This large personal
loan/advance was denied in no small part because it could disappear, if for
example the US denies a visa to Samson, similar to what happened in June
with his failed attempt to get a French visa for a Scratch conference.

Oranges: Nobody (or nobody in their right mind anyway) is suggesting Samson
should not travel internationally to attend the GSoC mentor summit in the
San Francisco Bay Area Oct 13-15, 2017 as soon as the US visa is hopefully
sorted out soon. Hopefully Samson can give us an update in the coming week.

why are you making related requests to the Conservancy?


So that his US visa is less likely to be denied, as happened around
mid-June with the French Embassy. Thankfully the SFConservancy has
assisted Samson here (AFAIK, Samson can hopefully clarify).

How about Sugar Labs use its talents to move forward instead of continually
relitigating the past?

Can we take a pause to consider that for 2018?

[Laura Vargas]

Hi Hilary,

Sugar Labs is a member project of the Software Freedom Conservancy, and so
travel funding is subject to the *Software Freedom Conservancy Travel and
Reimbursable Expense Policy.
<https://gitorious.org/conservancy/policies?p=conservancy:policies.git;a=blob_plain;f=Travel/conservancy-travel-policy.txt;hb=HEAD>*

You can access the policy also via Sugar Labs Wiki Finance page at:

https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Finance


Regards and blessings,

Laura V

2017-08-13 17:43 GMT-05:00 Hilary Naylor <***@gmail.com>:

> dear all,
> Samson is now sponsored for the up-front expenses of his trip to GSoC
> in the amount of $700. His actual expenses are closer to $900 if anyone
> wants to co-sponsor. I understand that SFC is going to reimburse me around
> $630 because that is the amount they allocated for local travel expenses.
>
> kind regards,
> Hilary
> ---
> Hilary Naylor
> OLPC-SF
>
> ---fwd---
> Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2017 09:10:50 -0400
> From: Adam Holt <***@laptop.org>
> To: Lionel Laske <***@olpc-france.org>
> Cc: iaep <***@lists.sugarlabs.org>, Sugar-dev Devel
> <sugar-***@lists.sugarlabs.org>, "OLPC para usuarios, docentes,
> voluntarios y administradores" <olpc-***@lists.laptop.org>, SLOBs
> <***@lists.sugarlabs.org>, Tabitha Roder <***@tabitha.net.nz
> >
> Subject: Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] URGENT action needed
>
> Because Samson Goddy is our close friend and clearly should go to San
> Francisco for GSoC, it is tempting to send him a personal loan.
>
> But for Sugar Labs to provide loans to our personal friends is a dangerous
> precedent frought with moral and ethical hazards.
>
> As such, personally my conscience forces me to abstain from all such
> matters.
>
> I strongly encourage others to provide Samson the $627.05 personal loan he
> in fact does need, if Sugar Labs cannot.
>
> *It will make a gigantic difference, and you will have a friend for life in
> Samson Goddy, who is likely to move forward accomplishing truly incredible
> things in his life.*
> ---
> Hilary Naylor, Ph.D.
> www.a2zed.us
> Oakland CA
>
> _______________________________________________
> SLOBs mailing list
> ***@lists.sugarlabs.org
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/slobs
>
>


--
Laura V.
* I&D SomosAZUCAR.Org*

“Solo la tecnología libre nos hará libres.”
~ Laura Victoria

Happy Learning!
#LearningByDoing
#Projects4good
#IDesignATSugarLabs
#WeCanDoBetter

[Caryl Bigenho]

+1 for James C. The voice of reason speaks! Thank you!


________________________________
From: IAEP <iaep-***@lists.sugarlabs.org> on behalf of James Cameron <***@laptop.org>
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 1:57:40 PM
To: Laura Vargas
Cc: iaep; sugar-***@lists.sugarlabs.org; OLPC para usuarios, docentes, , voluntarios y administradores; Hilary Naylor; SLOBs
Subject: Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] URGENT action needed

The policy does not apply when the funding comes from an organisation
external to SFC.

Thanks to OLPC-SF and Hilary!

On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 03:00:54PM -0500, Laura Vargas wrote:
> Hi Hilary,
>
> Sugar Labs is a member project of the Software Freedom Conservancy, and so
> travel funding is subject to the [1]Software Freedom Conservancy Travel and
> Reimbursable Expense Policy.
>
> You can access the policy also via Sugar Labs Wiki Finance page at:
>
> [2]https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Finance
>
> Regards and blessings,
>
> Laura V
>
> 2017-08-13 17:43 GMT-05:00 Hilary Naylor <[3]***@gmail.com>:
>
> dear all,
> Samson is now sponsored for the up-front expenses of his trip to GSoC in
> the amount of $700. His actual expenses are closer to $900 if anyone wants
> to co-sponsor. I understand that SFC is going to reimburse me around $630
> because that is the amount they allocated for local travel expenses.
>
> kind regards,
> Hilary
> ---
> Hilary Naylor
> OLPC-SF
>
> ---fwd---
> Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2017 09:10:50 -0400
> From: Adam Holt <[4]***@laptop.org>
> To: Lionel Laske <[5]***@olpc-france.org>
> Cc: iaep <[6]***@lists.sugarlabs.org>, Sugar-dev Devel
> <[7]sugar-***@lists.sugarlabs.org>, "OLPC para usuarios,
> docentes,
> voluntarios y administradores" <[8]olpc-***@lists.laptop.org>,
> SLOBs
> <[9]***@lists.sugarlabs.org>, Tabitha Roder <[10]
> ***@tabitha.net.nz>
> Subject: Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] URGENT action needed
>
> Because Samson Goddy is our close friend and clearly should go to San
> Francisco for GSoC, it is tempting to send him a personal loan.
>
> But for Sugar Labs to provide loans to our personal friends is a dangerous
> precedent frought with moral and ethical hazards.
>
> As such, personally my conscience forces me to abstain from all such
> matters.
>
> I strongly encourage others to provide Samson the $627.05 personal loan he
> in fact does need, if Sugar Labs cannot.
>
> *It will make a gigantic difference, and you will have a friend for life in
> Samson Goddy, who is likely to move forward accomplishing truly incredible
> things in his life.*
> ---
> Hilary Naylor, Ph.D.
> [11]www.a2zed.us
> Oakland CA
>
> _______________________________________________
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> [12]***@lists.sugarlabs.org
> [13]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/slobs
>
> --
> Laura V.
> I&D SomosAZUCAR.Org
>
> “Solo la tecnología libre nos hará libres.”
> ~ Laura Victoria
>
> Happy Learning!
> #LearningByDoing
> #Projects4good
> #IDesignATSugarLabs
> #WeCanDoBetter
>
> References:
>
> [1] https://gitorious.org/conservancy/policies?p=conservancy:policies.git;a=blob_plain;f=Travel/conservancy-travel-policy.txt;hb=HEAD
> [2] https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Finance
> [3] mailto:***@gmail.com
> [4] mailto:***@laptop.org
> [5] mailto:***@olpc-france.org
> [6] mailto:***@lists.sugarlabs.org
> [7] mailto:sugar-***@lists.sugarlabs.org
> [8] mailto:olpc-***@lists.laptop.org
> [9] mailto:***@lists.sugarlabs.org
> [10] mailto:***@tabitha.net.nz
> [11] http://www.a2zed.us/
> [12] mailto:***@lists.sugarlabs.org
> [13] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/slobs

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James Cameron
http://quozl.netrek.org/

[Karen Sandler]

[resent from my old address that is subscribed to this list]

Hi SLOBs,

Conservancy staff doesn't follow our member projects mailing lists - the
***@sfconservancy.org are always the official communication point
between Conservancy and its member projects. As I hope you can
appreciate, we have 45 member projects (including Outreachy, which has
around 80 internships per year that we administer). This thread has come
to our attention though, and I want to clear up a few things.

* Good communication with Conservancy

We rely on SLOBs and the official Sugar representative to let us know
when you approve some action and need us to do something. For example,
no one notified us of the election results earlier in this year. In
researching the issues that came up today, we discovered that the
election happened, and we will update our records under the Fiscal
Sponsorship Agreement (and the sugar@ alias) accordingly. We don't
object to hiring someone to communicate with us or to rely on
volunteers. If you do hire someone, we will rely on volunteers to let us
know that the paid representative should be paid and that we can rely on
their instructions (and then again if you decide not to have that person
work for you anymore). We expect to communicate directly with the sugar@
alias and we cannot be expected to closely read mailing lists dedicated
to other matters in case there is something mentioned that is relevant
to us. We operate on a shoestring budget and have a staff of only 4 full
time people.

* Books and records

As you know, we make our books available to Sugar on an ongoing basis,
allowing you to generate your own reports. Until our accounts are closed
for the year (and audited), there's a chance that transactions may not
have been fully entered. Google recently switched payment methods for
GCI and GSoC, and we haven't adjusted the bookkeeping on that yet, so it
is lagging a bit. Google is regularly invoiced for all the GSoC and GCI
funds for all projects, and we don't think there's any concern about
payment from Google being uncertain. Google has never failed to pay
Conservancy funds owed for our member projects.

As we've mention before, if there is an item missing in the ledger that
you want us to expedite checking on, just ask us.

* Transparency

I believe Conservancy has historically been the most transparent fiscal
sponsor in free software, and we strive to stay that way. We are very
open to concrete suggestions about how we can be more transparent about
our operations (and I hope we are far from opaque)! All of our policies
are public as are all of our filings. We make the books and records
available to authorized project participants and strive to answer
questions as quickly as we can[1]. We are always on IRC at #conservancy
on freenode if you need to reach us urgently and are happy to be pinged.

* Flexibility

We will attempt to work with you to accomplish whatever Sugar Labs wants
to do that is within our charitable mission to the extent that our
resources allow. As Bradley already wrote to the sugar@ list, we can
work with reimbursing 3rd parties or handle other unusual payment
mechanisms if we understand that is the best or only way to accomplish
the project's goals.

I hope this is helpful. I know it's a tumultuous time for Sugar Labs,
and I want you to make sure that we're all on the same page about how
Conservancy operates so that we can best support the project.

karen

[1] Adam, I know that you have an email into me. I was on the road at
DebConf last week and should catch up in the next day or two.

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