[Sur] MOTION: French visa for Samson Goddy to attend 10-year Anniversary Scratch Conf / 50-year Anniversary of Logo

[Adam Holt]

Please all who can support this motion, thank you for doing so, once [XXX]
is clarified below:

"To support Samson Goddy's attending 2017 Scratch conference in Bordeaux,
France (19-21 July 2017) to strengthen our relationship with Scratch, Sugar
Labs should allocate up to $500 in support of his obtaining a French visa,
including (as nec) travel from Port Harcourt to Lagos for as many days as
required. Any receipts to this end, Samson will submit to the Software
Freedom Conservancy. It is understood that if the French government very
unfortunately turns down his visa application, preventing him from
attending Bordeaux, these lost funds will be borne by [XXX]."

Where [XXX] could be Scratch, Sugar Labs, or Samson Goddy -- accountants
don't like financial mystery meat, for very good reason ;)

[Adam Holt]

On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 2:17 PM, Samson Goddy <***@gmail.com> wrote:

> I will take sole responsibility for the lost and if it happen, i didn't
> get the visa.
>

My apologies I misunderstood earlier, among the many emails. That makes
things very clear, thank you Samson. Be it then resolved:

"To support Samson Goddy's attending 2017 Scratch conference in Bordeaux,
France (19-21 July 2017) to strengthen our relationship with Scratch, Sugar
Labs should allocate up to $500 in support of his obtaining a French visa,
including (as nec) travel from Port Harcourt to Lagos for as many days as
required. Any receipts to this end, Samson will submit to the Software
Freedom Conservancy. It is understood that if the French government very
unfortunately turns down his visa application, preventing him from
attending Bordeaux, these lost funds will be borne by Samson Goddy."

Thanks in advance to any board members who can second this motion, thereby
helping Samson/Scratch/Sugar move forward!

[Walter Bender]

On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 2:32 PM, Adam Holt <***@laptop.org> wrote:

> On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 2:17 PM, Samson Goddy <***@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I will take sole responsibility for the lost and if it happen, i didn't
>> get the visa.
>>
>
> My apologies I misunderstood earlier, among the many emails. That makes
> things very clear, thank you Samson. Be it then resolved:
>
> "To support Samson Goddy's attending 2017 Scratch conference in Bordeaux,
> France (19-21 July 2017) to strengthen our relationship with Scratch, Sugar
> Labs should allocate up to $500 in support of his obtaining a French visa,
> including (as nec) travel from Port Harcourt to Lagos for as many days as
> required. Any receipts to this end, Samson will submit to the Software
> Freedom Conservancy. It is understood that if the French government very
> unfortunately turns down his visa application, preventing him from
> attending Bordeaux, these lost funds will be borne by Samson Goddy."
>
> Thanks in advance to any board members who can second this motion, thereby
> helping Samson/Scratch/Sugar move forward!
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sugar-devel mailing list
> Sugar-***@lists.sugarlabs.org
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>
>
While I think it is unconscionable for Sugar Labs not to shoulder the
responsibility of the visa on behalf of one of our members, I will
nonetheless second the motion, bad precedent and all, as it seems to be the
only way to get unstuck.

-walter

--
Walter Bender
Sugar Labs
http://www.sugarlabs.org
<http://www.sugarlabs.org>

[Adam Holt]

Lionel, Sameer, Laura & Ignacio,

Can you please try to vote yes or no today as Samson would need to fly to
Lagos immediately this wkd (or Monday latest, to get everything in motion)
so does need to know what's happening ASAP as the wkd approaches, *Thanks
All for your consideration!*


On Jun 5, 2017 3:28 PM, "Walter Bender" <***@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 2:32 PM, Adam Holt <***@laptop.org> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 2:17 PM, Samson Goddy <***@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I will take sole responsibility for the lost and if it happen, i didn't
>>> get the visa.
>>>
>>
>> My apologies I misunderstood earlier, among the many emails. That makes
>> things very clear, thank you Samson. Be it then resolved:
>>
>> "To support Samson Goddy's attending 2017 Scratch conference in Bordeaux,
>> France (19-21 July 2017) to strengthen our relationship with Scratch, Sugar
>> Labs should allocate up to $500 in support of his obtaining a French visa,
>> including (as nec) travel from Port Harcourt to Lagos for as many days as
>> required. Any receipts to this end, Samson will submit to the Software
>> Freedom Conservancy. It is understood that if the French government very
>> unfortunately turns down his visa application, preventing him from
>> attending Bordeaux, these lost funds will be borne by Samson Goddy."
>>
>> Thanks in advance to any board members who can second this motion,
>> thereby helping Samson/Scratch/Sugar move forward!
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sugar-devel mailing list
>> Sugar-***@lists.sugarlabs.org
>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>>
>>
> While I think it is unconscionable for Sugar Labs not to shoulder the
> responsibility of the visa on behalf of one of our members, I will
> nonetheless second the motion, bad precedent and all, as it seems to be the
> only way to get unstuck.
>
> -walter
>
> --
> Walter Bender
> Sugar Labs
> http://www.sugarlabs.org
> <http://www.sugarlabs.org>
>

[Adam Holt]

On Jun 7, 2017 7:59 AM, "Adam Holt" <***@laptop.org> wrote:

Lionel, Sameer, Laura & Ignacio,

Can you please try to vote yes or no


Or please formally abstain, but do vote your opinion please!

(As you we're elected to do, setting a tone for forward action — in
whatever direction your conscience takes you — Thanks All!)


today

as Samson would need to fly to Lagos immediately this wkd (or Monday
latest, to get everything in motion) so does need to know what's happening
ASAP as the wkd approaches, *Thanks All for your consideration!*


On Jun 5, 2017 3:28 PM, "Walter Bender" <***@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 2:32 PM, Adam Holt <***@laptop.org> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 2:17 PM, Samson Goddy <***@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I will take sole responsibility for the lost and if it happen, i didn't
>>> get the visa.
>>>
>>
>> My apologies I misunderstood earlier, among the many emails. That makes
>> things very clear, thank you Samson. Be it then resolved:
>>
>> "To support Samson Goddy's attending 2017 Scratch conference in Bordeaux,
>> France (19-21 July 2017) to strengthen our relationship with Scratch, Sugar
>> Labs should allocate up to $500 in support of his obtaining a French visa,
>> including (as nec) travel from Port Harcourt to Lagos for as many days as
>> required. Any receipts to this end, Samson will submit to the Software
>> Freedom Conservancy. It is understood that if the French government very
>> unfortunately turns down his visa application, preventing him from
>> attending Bordeaux, these lost funds will be borne by Samson Goddy."
>>
>> Thanks in advance to any board members who can second this motion,
>> thereby helping Samson/Scratch/Sugar move forward!
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sugar-devel mailing list
>> Sugar-***@lists.sugarlabs.org
>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>>
>>
> While I think it is unconscionable for Sugar Labs not to shoulder the
> responsibility of the visa on behalf of one of our members, I will
> nonetheless second the motion, bad precedent and all, as it seems to be the
> only way to get unstuck.
>
> -walter
>
> --
> Walter Bender
> Sugar Labs
> http://www.sugarlabs.org
> <http://www.sugarlabs.org>
>

[Adam Holt]

On Jun 9, 2017 6:30 AM, "Adam Holt" <***@laptop.org> wrote:

On Jun 7, 2017 7:59 AM, "Adam Holt" <***@laptop.org> wrote:

Lionel, Sameer, Laura & Ignacio,

Can you please try to vote yes or no


Or please formally abstain, but do vote your opinion please!

(As you


...and we were (:

elected

to do, setting a tone for forward action — in whatever direction your
conscience takes you — Thanks All!)


today

as Samson would need to fly to Lagos immediately this wkd (or Monday
latest, to get everything in motion) so does need to know what's happening
ASAP as the wkd approaches, *Thanks All for your consideration!*


On Jun 5, 2017 3:28 PM, "Walter Bender" <***@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 2:32 PM, Adam Holt <***@laptop.org> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 2:17 PM, Samson Goddy <***@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I will take sole responsibility for the lost and if it happen, i didn't
>>> get the visa.
>>>
>>
>> My apologies I misunderstood earlier, among the many emails. That makes
>> things very clear, thank you Samson. Be it then resolved:
>>
>> "To support Samson Goddy's attending 2017 Scratch conference in Bordeaux,
>> France (19-21 July 2017) to strengthen our relationship with Scratch, Sugar
>> Labs should allocate up to $500 in support of his obtaining a French visa,
>> including (as nec) travel from Port Harcourt to Lagos for as many days as
>> required. Any receipts to this end, Samson will submit to the Software
>> Freedom Conservancy. It is understood that if the French government very
>> unfortunately turns down his visa application, preventing him from
>> attending Bordeaux, these lost funds will be borne by Samson Goddy."
>>
>> Thanks in advance to any board members who can second this motion,
>> thereby helping Samson/Scratch/Sugar move forward!
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sugar-devel mailing list
>> Sugar-***@lists.sugarlabs.org
>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>>
>>
> While I think it is unconscionable for Sugar Labs not to shoulder the
> responsibility of the visa on behalf of one of our members, I will
> nonetheless second the motion, bad precedent and all, as it seems to be the
> only way to get unstuck.
>
> -walter
>
> --
> Walter Bender
> Sugar Labs
> http://www.sugarlabs.org
> <http://www.sugarlabs.org>
>

[Adam Holt]

On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 8:07 AM, Samson Goddy <***@gmail.com> wrote:

> To those members who haven't voted.. could you please come and vote.
>

Thanks you Ignacio, Lionel & Laura if you can please vote Yes or No
immediately !!

PS i (presume) this motion expires 3:28 PM NYC Time today, in 7+ hours from
now, i.e. exactly 1 week after it was seconded and voting began.


> It is very disappointing that this motion is still pending. I am to travel
> to lagos tomorrow and i really need to know what will happen to the motion.
>
> Samson G
>
> On Jun 9, 2017 11:30 AM, "Adam Holt" <***@laptop.org> wrote:
>
>> On Jun 7, 2017 7:59 AM, "Adam Holt" <***@laptop.org> wrote:
>>
>> Lionel, Sameer, Laura & Ignacio,
>>
>> Can you please try to vote yes or no
>>
>>
>> Or please formally abstain, but do vote your opinion please!
>>
>> (As you we're elected to do, setting a tone for forward action — in
>> whatever direction your conscience takes you — Thanks All!)
>>
>>
>> today
>>
>> as Samson would need to fly to Lagos immediately this wkd (or Monday
>> latest, to get everything in motion) so does need to know what's happening
>> ASAP as the wkd approaches, *Thanks All for your consideration!*
>>
>>
>> On Jun 5, 2017 3:28 PM, "Walter Bender" <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 2:32 PM, Adam Holt <***@laptop.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 2:17 PM, Samson Goddy <***@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I will take sole responsibility for the lost and if it happen, i
>>>>> didn't get the visa.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> My apologies I misunderstood earlier, among the many emails. That
>>>> makes things very clear, thank you Samson. Be it then resolved:
>>>>
>>>> "To support Samson Goddy's attending 2017 Scratch conference in
>>>> Bordeaux, France (19-21 July 2017) to strengthen our relationship with
>>>> Scratch, Sugar Labs should allocate up to $500 in support of his obtaining
>>>> a French visa, including (as nec) travel from Port Harcourt to Lagos for as
>>>> many days as required. Any receipts to this end, Samson will submit to the
>>>> Software Freedom Conservancy. It is understood that if the French
>>>> government very unfortunately turns down his visa application, preventing
>>>> him from attending Bordeaux, these lost funds will be borne by Samson
>>>> Goddy."
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance to any board members who can second this motion,
>>>> thereby helping Samson/Scratch/Sugar move forward!
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Sugar-devel mailing list
>>>> Sugar-***@lists.sugarlabs.org
>>>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>>>>
>>>>
>>> While I think it is unconscionable for Sugar Labs not to shoulder the
>>> responsibility of the visa on behalf of one of our members, I will
>>> nonetheless second the motion, bad precedent and all, as it seems to be the
>>> only way to get unstuck.
>>>
>>> -walter
>>>
>>> --
>>> Walter Bender
>>> Sugar Labs
>>> http://www.sugarlabs.org
>>> <http://www.sugarlabs.org>
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SLOBs mailing list
>> ***@lists.sugarlabs.org
>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/slobs
>>
>>


--
Unsung Heroes of OLPC, interviewed live @ http://unleashkids.org !

[Ignacio Rodríguez]

Sorry I did not reply before.

It's a yes (+1) for me.
Let's hope everyone votes now!


Thanks,
Ignacio

On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 9:16 AM, Adam Holt <***@laptop.org> wrote:

> On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 8:07 AM, Samson Goddy <***@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> To those members who haven't voted.. could you please come and vote.
>>
>
> Thanks you Ignacio, Lionel & Laura if you can please vote Yes or No
> immediately !!
>
> PS i (presume) this motion expires 3:28 PM NYC Time today, in 7+ hours
> from now, i.e. exactly 1 week after it was seconded and voting began.
>
>
>> It is very disappointing that this motion is still pending. I am to
>> travel to lagos tomorrow and i really need to know what will happen to the
>> motion.
>>
>> Samson G
>>
>> On Jun 9, 2017 11:30 AM, "Adam Holt" <***@laptop.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On Jun 7, 2017 7:59 AM, "Adam Holt" <***@laptop.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Lionel, Sameer, Laura & Ignacio,
>>>
>>> Can you please try to vote yes or no
>>>
>>>
>>> Or please formally abstain, but do vote your opinion please!
>>>
>>> (As you we're elected to do, setting a tone for forward action — in
>>> whatever direction your conscience takes you — Thanks All!)
>>>
>>>
>>> today
>>>
>>> as Samson would need to fly to Lagos immediately this wkd (or Monday
>>> latest, to get everything in motion) so does need to know what's happening
>>> ASAP as the wkd approaches, *Thanks All for your consideration!*
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 5, 2017 3:28 PM, "Walter Bender" <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 2:32 PM, Adam Holt <***@laptop.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 2:17 PM, Samson Goddy <***@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I will take sole responsibility for the lost and if it happen, i
>>>>>> didn't get the visa.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> My apologies I misunderstood earlier, among the many emails. That
>>>>> makes things very clear, thank you Samson. Be it then resolved:
>>>>>
>>>>> "To support Samson Goddy's attending 2017 Scratch conference in
>>>>> Bordeaux, France (19-21 July 2017) to strengthen our relationship with
>>>>> Scratch, Sugar Labs should allocate up to $500 in support of his obtaining
>>>>> a French visa, including (as nec) travel from Port Harcourt to Lagos for as
>>>>> many days as required. Any receipts to this end, Samson will submit to the
>>>>> Software Freedom Conservancy. It is understood that if the French
>>>>> government very unfortunately turns down his visa application, preventing
>>>>> him from attending Bordeaux, these lost funds will be borne by Samson
>>>>> Goddy."
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks in advance to any board members who can second this motion,
>>>>> thereby helping Samson/Scratch/Sugar move forward!
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Sugar-devel mailing list
>>>>> Sugar-***@lists.sugarlabs.org
>>>>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> While I think it is unconscionable for Sugar Labs not to shoulder the
>>>> responsibility of the visa on behalf of one of our members, I will
>>>> nonetheless second the motion, bad precedent and all, as it seems to be the
>>>> only way to get unstuck.
>>>>
>>>> -walter
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Walter Bender
>>>> Sugar Labs
>>>> http://www.sugarlabs.org
>>>> <http://www.sugarlabs.org>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SLOBs mailing list
>>> ***@lists.sugarlabs.org
>>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/slobs
>>>
>>>
>
>
> --
> Unsung Heroes of OLPC, interviewed live @ http://unleashkids.org !
>

[Adam Holt]

On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 8:22 AM, Ignacio Rodríguez <***@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Sorry I did not reply before.
>
> It's a yes (+1) for me.
> Let's hope everyone votes now!
>

Yes! This motion will pass (4 out of 7 votes is the bare minimum) with a
big thanks to all for staying engaged in support of Sugar Labs, until all
votes are counted, such that all sincerely held perspectives are respected,
one way or another!

Have a great trip Samson and let's hope the French govt cooperates in
understanding free/open learning from a truly global perspective~

*PS plz let us know your favorite non-Facebook channels if poss, in
addition to your outreach work on FB?*


Thanks,
> Ignacio
>
> On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 9:16 AM, Adam Holt <***@laptop.org> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 8:07 AM, Samson Goddy <***@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> To those members who haven't voted.. could you please come and vote.
>>>
>>
>> Thanks you Ignacio, Lionel & Laura if you can please vote Yes or No
>> immediately !!
>>
>> PS i (presume) this motion expires 3:28 PM NYC Time today, in 7+ hours
>> from now, i.e. exactly 1 week after it was seconded and voting began.
>>
>>
>>> It is very disappointing that this motion is still pending. I am to
>>> travel to lagos tomorrow and i really need to know what will happen to the
>>> motion.
>>>
>>> Samson G
>>>
>>> On Jun 9, 2017 11:30 AM, "Adam Holt" <***@laptop.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Jun 7, 2017 7:59 AM, "Adam Holt" <***@laptop.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Lionel, Sameer, Laura & Ignacio,
>>>>
>>>> Can you please try to vote yes or no
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Or please formally abstain, but do vote your opinion please!
>>>>
>>>> (As you we're elected to do, setting a tone for forward action — in
>>>> whatever direction your conscience takes you — Thanks All!)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> today
>>>>
>>>> as Samson would need to fly to Lagos immediately this wkd (or Monday
>>>> latest, to get everything in motion) so does need to know what's happening
>>>> ASAP as the wkd approaches, *Thanks All for your consideration!*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 5, 2017 3:28 PM, "Walter Bender" <***@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 2:32 PM, Adam Holt <***@laptop.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 2:17 PM, Samson Goddy <***@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I will take sole responsibility for the lost and if it happen, i
>>>>>>> didn't get the visa.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My apologies I misunderstood earlier, among the many emails. That
>>>>>> makes things very clear, thank you Samson. Be it then resolved:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "To support Samson Goddy's attending 2017 Scratch conference in
>>>>>> Bordeaux, France (19-21 July 2017) to strengthen our relationship with
>>>>>> Scratch, Sugar Labs should allocate up to $500 in support of his obtaining
>>>>>> a French visa, including (as nec) travel from Port Harcourt to Lagos for as
>>>>>> many days as required. Any receipts to this end, Samson will submit to the
>>>>>> Software Freedom Conservancy. It is understood that if the French
>>>>>> government very unfortunately turns down his visa application, preventing
>>>>>> him from attending Bordeaux, these lost funds will be borne by Samson
>>>>>> Goddy."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks in advance to any board members who can second this motion,
>>>>>> thereby helping Samson/Scratch/Sugar move forward!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Sugar-devel mailing list
>>>>>> Sugar-***@lists.sugarlabs.org
>>>>>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> While I think it is unconscionable for Sugar Labs not to shoulder the
>>>>> responsibility of the visa on behalf of one of our members, I will
>>>>> nonetheless second the motion, bad precedent and all, as it seems to be the
>>>>> only way to get unstuck.
>>>>>
>>>>> -walter
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Walter Bender
>>>>> Sugar Labs
>>>>> http://www.sugarlabs.org
>>>>> <http://www.sugarlabs.org>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> SLOBs mailing list
>>>> ***@lists.sugarlabs.org
>>>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/slobs
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Unsung Heroes of OLPC, interviewed live @ http://unleashkids.org !
>>
>> --
>> Unsung Heroes of OLPC, interviewed live @ http://unleashkids.org !
>>
>

[Samson Goddy]

On Jun 12, 2017 1:33 PM, "Adam Holt" <***@laptop.org> wrote:

On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 8:22 AM, Ignacio Rodríguez <***@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Sorry I did not reply before.
>
> It's a yes (+1) for me.
> Let's hope everyone votes now!
>

Yes! This motion will pass (4 out of 7 votes is the bare minimum) with a
big thanks to all for staying engaged in support of Sugar Labs, until all
votes are counted, such that all sincerely held perspectives are respected,
one way or another!

Have a great trip Samson and let's hope the French govt cooperates in
understanding free/open learning from a truly global perspective~

Thanks, i am hoping too.


*PS plz let us know your favorite non-Facebook channels if poss, in
addition to your outreach work on FB?*

I will create a blog, then post on wiki if that will help.




Thanks,
> Ignacio
>
> On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 9:16 AM, Adam Holt <***@laptop.org> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 8:07 AM, Samson Goddy <***@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> To those members who haven't voted.. could you please come and vote.
>>>
>>
>> Thanks you Ignacio, Lionel & Laura if you can please vote Yes or No
>> immediately !!
>>
>> PS i (presume) this motion expires 3:28 PM NYC Time today, in 7+ hours
>> from now, i.e. exactly 1 week after it was seconded and voting began.
>>
>>
>>> It is very disappointing that this motion is still pending. I am to
>>> travel to lagos tomorrow and i really need to know what will happen to the
>>> motion.
>>>
>>> Samson G
>>>
>>> On Jun 9, 2017 11:30 AM, "Adam Holt" <***@laptop.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Jun 7, 2017 7:59 AM, "Adam Holt" <***@laptop.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Lionel, Sameer, Laura & Ignacio,
>>>>
>>>> Can you please try to vote yes or no
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Or please formally abstain, but do vote your opinion please!
>>>>
>>>> (As you we're elected to do, setting a tone for forward action — in
>>>> whatever direction your conscience takes you — Thanks All!)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> today
>>>>
>>>> as Samson would need to fly to Lagos immediately this wkd (or Monday
>>>> latest, to get everything in motion) so does need to know what's happening
>>>> ASAP as the wkd approaches, *Thanks All for your consideration!*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 5, 2017 3:28 PM, "Walter Bender" <***@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 2:32 PM, Adam Holt <***@laptop.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 2:17 PM, Samson Goddy <***@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I will take sole responsibility for the lost and if it happen, i
>>>>>>> didn't get the visa.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My apologies I misunderstood earlier, among the many emails. That
>>>>>> makes things very clear, thank you Samson. Be it then resolved:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "To support Samson Goddy's attending 2017 Scratch conference in
>>>>>> Bordeaux, France (19-21 July 2017) to strengthen our relationship with
>>>>>> Scratch, Sugar Labs should allocate up to $500 in support of his obtaining
>>>>>> a French visa, including (as nec) travel from Port Harcourt to Lagos for as
>>>>>> many days as required. Any receipts to this end, Samson will submit to the
>>>>>> Software Freedom Conservancy. It is understood that if the French
>>>>>> government very unfortunately turns down his visa application, preventing
>>>>>> him from attending Bordeaux, these lost funds will be borne by Samson
>>>>>> Goddy."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks in advance to any board members who can second this motion,
>>>>>> thereby helping Samson/Scratch/Sugar move forward!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Sugar-devel mailing list
>>>>>> Sugar-***@lists.sugarlabs.org
>>>>>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> While I think it is unconscionable for Sugar Labs not to shoulder the
>>>>> responsibility of the visa on behalf of one of our members, I will
>>>>> nonetheless second the motion, bad precedent and all, as it seems to be the
>>>>> only way to get unstuck.
>>>>>
>>>>> -walter
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Walter Bender
>>>>> Sugar Labs
>>>>> http://www.sugarlabs.org
>>>>> <http://www.sugarlabs.org>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> SLOBs mailing list
>>>> ***@lists.sugarlabs.org
>>>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/slobs
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Unsung Heroes of OLPC, interviewed live @ http://unleashkids.org !
>>
>> --
>> Unsung Heroes of OLPC, interviewed live @ http://unleashkids.org !
>>
>

[Sebastian Silva]

Hi Samson,

I hope you will have a successful travel.

As a member of Sugar Labs and one of the signataries of our Fiscal
Sponsorship Agreement with the Software Freedom Conservancy
<https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/images/f/fa/AmendedFSASugar.pdf> I would
appreciate if during your trip you would remember that we have a duty as
a Conservancy Project to respect its /"organizational mission and
charitable goal to promote, improve, develop and defend//
//Free, Libre, and Open Source Software projects."/

Keep in mind we agreed (section 2b) : /"The Project Will Be Free
Software. Conservancy and the Oversight Board agree that any//
//and all software and/or documentation distributed by the Project will
be distributed //*solely *//as Free Software." (emphasis added)./

It would be a sad thing (if not a breach of contract) if the community
(as represented by you) would present itself as indifferent to these values.

Your mentioning Facebook, iPhone, Windows, Flash, LinkedIn etc, do not
fit with this agreement, so we would sincerely appreciate if you do not
promote these entities while representing Sugar Labs.

Regards,

Sebastian


On 12/06/17 07:07, Samson Goddy wrote:
> To those members who haven't voted.. could you please come and vote.
> It is very disappointing that this motion is still pending. I am to
> travel to lagos tomorrow and i really need to know what will happen to
> the motion.
>

[Sebastian Silva]

On 13/06/17 12:50, Samson Goddy wrote:
>
> Your mentioning Facebook, iPhone, Windows, Flash, LinkedIn etc, do
> not fit with this agreement, so we would sincerely appreciate if
> you do not promote these entities while representing Sugar Labs.
>
> Could you explain more, because i dont understand. And also how did
> you think i might breach the agreement?

While your promoting these entities does not breach the wording of the
agreement, I believe it goes against the spirit of it. Please review
information on GNU.org such as the following articles, to understand why
such technologies are distributed in bad faith.

https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/keep-control-of-your-computing.html
https://www.gnu.org/proprietary/proprietary-surveillance.html
https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/who-does-that-server-really-serve.html

On the other hand, these Sugar Activities (by you) don't have proper
sources available. This actually is a breach of the agreement, and they
should have been removed:

http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4759
http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4758

In accordance to the license file on those .xo bundles, I request that
you share the source for the .swf Flash components embedded if you wrote
them, otherwise please make sure they are removed from ASLO.

Regards,
Sebastian

[Sebastian Silva]

On 13/06/17 13:53, Samson Goddy wrote:
>
> This was a project i did in 2014.. Because kids using the xo laptops
> were actually playing those mentioned games online. I had to port them
> as a activity for sugar. I didn't write or own the swf. It is free,
> there are versions for those in Android which are free also.

Clearly you don't understand what Free Software means and so I don't
think you are fit to represent Sugar Labs, in an event or otherwise.
Just my opinion.

> So if you think it is against Sugar Labs culture, i recommend you take
> it down yourself.

It's not against our culture, but our rules
<http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activity_Library/Editors/Policy#Reasons_for_removing>.
As the breacher of these rules, it would be good if you realized your
mistake and fixed it. Otherwise, others will have to fix it for you.

[Samson Goddy]

On Jun 13, 2017 8:19 PM, "Sebastian Silva" <***@fuentelibre.org>
wrote:



On 13/06/17 13:53, Samson Goddy wrote:


This was a project i did in 2014.. Because kids using the xo laptops were
actually playing those mentioned games online. I had to port them as a
activity for sugar. I didn't write or own the swf. It is free, there are
versions for those in Android which are free also.


Clearly you don't understand what Free Software means and so I don't think
you are fit to represent Sugar Labs, in an event or otherwise. Just my
opinion.

I have been in conferences in some part of Nigeria. Before i say things
about Sugar Labs i always ask people behind it for guidances. Walter has
always helped me to shape my talks. Same goes to other people in the
community.

Also my trip to Europe in July, i have been asking questions too. Because
that what learning is.



So if you think it is against Sugar Labs culture, i recommend you take it
down yourself.


It's not against our culture, but our rules
<http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activity_Library/Editors/Policy#Reasons_for_removing>.
As the breacher of these rules, it would be good if you realized your
mistake and fixed it. Otherwise, others will have to fix it for you.

I believe in learning, i am going to fix it as you stated. I am still new
to all these especially in Africa where they don't practice free
softwares(MS windows domain).

I see these as a challenge that needs fixing. Back in 2014 i didn't really
know how things work. Compare to now, so i am going to see a way to open
the source code for the swf file. If i don't succeed, i will take both
activities down.

Thanks

[Samuel Greenfeld]

My experience with the SFC is that while they like to do license
enforcement, they are not platform purists. If you look at the bottom of
sfconservancy.org they have their own social media accounts.


The ".fla" file at least in #4758 actually may be the source code in binary
format. I do not have access to a copy of Shockwave to verify that.
But without knowing the license for the flash content (unless Samson knows
the source; the README is for a different .fla, and I cannot find it) it is
unclear if the bundle as a whole can be GPL v3 licensed.

I do not recall having an active ASLO account to check the other activity
in question.


On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 2:11 PM, Sebastian Silva <***@fuentelibre.org>
wrote:

>
>
> On 13/06/17 12:50, Samson Goddy wrote:
>
> Your mentioning Facebook, iPhone, Windows, Flash, LinkedIn etc, do not fit
> with this agreement, so we would sincerely appreciate if you do not promote
> these entities while representing Sugar Labs.
>
> Could you explain more, because i dont understand. And also how did you
> think i might breach the agreement?
>
>
> While your promoting these entities does not breach the wording of the
> agreement, I believe it goes against the spirit of it. Please review
> information on GNU.org such as the following articles, to understand why
> such technologies are distributed in bad faith.
>
> https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/keep-control-of-your-computing.html
> https://www.gnu.org/proprietary/proprietary-surveillance.html
> https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/who-does-that-server-really-serve.html
>
> On the other hand, these Sugar Activities (by you) don't have proper
> sources available. This actually is a breach of the agreement, and they
> should have been removed:
>
> http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4759
> http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4758
>
> In accordance to the license file on those .xo bundles, I request that you
> share the source for the .swf Flash components embedded if you wrote them,
> otherwise please make sure they are removed from ASLO.
>
> Regards,
> Sebastian
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sugar-devel mailing list
> Sugar-***@lists.sugarlabs.org
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>
>

[Sameer Verma]

On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 11:38 AM, Samuel Greenfeld <***@greenfeld.org> wrote:
> My experience with the SFC is that while they like to do license
> enforcement, they are not platform purists. If you look at the bottom of
> sfconservancy.org they have their own social media accounts.
>

I completely agree with this. To say that it's all Free Software and
nothing else is a mis-characterization. To take this extreme
fundamentalist viewpoint would imply not being able to use web servers
like Apache (Open Source, but not Free software).

Sameer
--
Sameer Verma, Ph.D.
Professor, Information Systems
San Francisco State University
http://verma.sfsu.edu/

>
> The ".fla" file at least in #4758 actually may be the source code in binary
> format. I do not have access to a copy of Shockwave to verify that.
> But without knowing the license for the flash content (unless Samson knows
> the source; the README is for a different .fla, and I cannot find it) it is
> unclear if the bundle as a whole can be GPL v3 licensed.
>
> I do not recall having an active ASLO account to check the other activity in
> question.
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 2:11 PM, Sebastian Silva <***@fuentelibre.org>
> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On 13/06/17 12:50, Samson Goddy wrote:
>>
>> Your mentioning Facebook, iPhone, Windows, Flash, LinkedIn etc, do not fit
>> with this agreement, so we would sincerely appreciate if you do not promote
>> these entities while representing Sugar Labs.
>>
>> Could you explain more, because i dont understand. And also how did you
>> think i might breach the agreement?
>>
>>
>> While your promoting these entities does not breach the wording of the
>> agreement, I believe it goes against the spirit of it. Please review
>> information on GNU.org such as the following articles, to understand why
>> such technologies are distributed in bad faith.
>>
>> https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/keep-control-of-your-computing.html
>> https://www.gnu.org/proprietary/proprietary-surveillance.html
>> https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/who-does-that-server-really-serve.html
>>
>> On the other hand, these Sugar Activities (by you) don't have proper
>> sources available. This actually is a breach of the agreement, and they
>> should have been removed:
>>
>> http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4759
>> http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4758
>>
>> In accordance to the license file on those .xo bundles, I request that you
>> share the source for the .swf Flash components embedded if you wrote them,
>> otherwise please make sure they are removed from ASLO.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Sebastian
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sugar-devel mailing list
>> Sugar-***@lists.sugarlabs.org
>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SLOBs mailing list
> ***@lists.sugarlabs.org
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/slobs
>
_______________________________________________
Lista olpc-Sur
olpc-***@li

[Sebastian Silva]

Dear James and Samson,

I have disabled distribution of both of the Activities in question from
ASLO, as they don't offer proper licenses or source code.

Please review our acceptable license
<https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Trademark#Approved_licenses> policy.

In summary, an Activity needs to respect learner's freedom to:

0 - Use the program for any purpose
1 - To study how the program works and modify how it works
2 - Freedom to redistribute copies
3 - Freedom to redistribute modified copies

I encourage you to fix them and upload them again.

Thanks and regards,

Sebastian


On 14/06/17 17:54, James Cameron wrote:
> I've marked Kunfu as available in activities.sugarlabs.org, after Ben
> Olding confirmed he is author of Legend of the Dragon Fist and gave a
> license;
>
> "you may use the file, unmodified for free as you see fit as long as
> you are not directly selling it. i.e. bundling it on a laptop is fine,
> wrapping the game and selling as an app for $5 on the app store is
> not."
>
> http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4759/
>
> Samson, when you get time, please update the bundle to correctly
> attribute author and license, thanks.
>

[Caryl Bigenho]

Hi All...


Sebastian wrote, "Your mentioning Facebook, iPhone, Windows, Flash, LinkedIn etc, do not fit with this agreement, so we would sincerely appreciate if you do not promote these entities while representing Sugar Labs."


Huh??? It seems since the goal of Sugarizer is to make it available FREE to run on "any device" that includes iPhones, Windows devices, etc. This comment of his doesn't make any sense! What about FREE/Libre software doesn't he understand???


Caryl


P.S. I proudly run Sugarizer on my iPhone!

________________________________
From: IAEP <iaep-***@lists.sugarlabs.org> on behalf of Samson Goddy <***@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 10:50:15 AM
To: Sebastian Silva
Cc: SLOBs; iaep; Sugar-dev Devel; OLPC para usuarios, docentes, voluntarios y administradores
Subject: Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [Sugar-devel] MOTION: French visa for Samson Goddy to attend 10-year Anniversary Scratch Conf / 50-year Anniversary of Logo



On Jun 13, 2017 5:45 PM, "Sebastian Silva" <***@fuentelibre.org<mailto:***@fuentelibre.org>> wrote:

Hi Samson,

I hope you will have a successful travel.

Thanks Sebastian.

As a member of Sugar Labs and one of the signataries of our Fiscal Sponsorship Agreement with the Software Freedom Conservancy<https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/images/f/fa/AmendedFSASugar.pdf> I would appreciate if during your trip you would remember that we have a duty as a Conservancy Project to respect its "organizational mission and charitable goal to promote, improve, develop and defend
Free, Libre, and Open Source Software projects."

Keep in mind we agreed (section 2b) : "The Project Will Be Free Software. Conservancy and the Oversight Board agree that any
and all software and/or documentation distributed by the Project will be distributed solely as Free Software." (emphasis added).

It would be a sad thing (if not a breach of contract) if the community (as represented by you) would present itself as indifferent to these values.

Your mentioning Facebook, iPhone, Windows, Flash, LinkedIn etc, do not fit with this agreement, so we would sincerely appreciate if you do not promote these entities while representing Sugar Labs.

Could you explain more, because i dont understand. And also how did you think i might breach the agreement?

Regards,

Sebastian

On 12/06/17 07:07, Samson Goddy wrote:
To those members who haven't voted.. could you please come and vote. It is very disappointing that this motion is still pending. I am to travel to lagos tomorrow and i really need to know what will happen to the motion.

[Sameer Verma]

+1

Sameer

On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 3:30 AM, Adam Holt <***@laptop.org> wrote:
> On Jun 7, 2017 7:59 AM, "Adam Holt" <***@laptop.org> wrote:
>
> Lionel, Sameer, Laura & Ignacio,
>
> Can you please try to vote yes or no
>
>
> Or please formally abstain, but do vote your opinion please!
>
> (As you we're elected to do, setting a tone for forward action — in whatever
> direction your conscience takes you — Thanks All!)
>
>
> today
>
> as Samson would need to fly to Lagos immediately this wkd (or Monday latest,
> to get everything in motion) so does need to know what's happening ASAP as
> the wkd approaches, Thanks All for your consideration!
>
>
> On Jun 5, 2017 3:28 PM, "Walter Bender" <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 2:32 PM, Adam Holt <***@laptop.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 2:17 PM, Samson Goddy <***@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I will take sole responsibility for the lost and if it happen, i didn't
>>>> get the visa.
>>>
>>>
>>> My apologies I misunderstood earlier, among the many emails. That makes
>>> things very clear, thank you Samson. Be it then resolved:
>>>
>>> "To support Samson Goddy's attending 2017 Scratch conference in Bordeaux,
>>> France (19-21 July 2017) to strengthen our relationship with Scratch, Sugar
>>> Labs should allocate up to $500 in support of his obtaining a French visa,
>>> including (as nec) travel from Port Harcourt to Lagos for as many days as
>>> required. Any receipts to this end, Samson will submit to the Software
>>> Freedom Conservancy. It is understood that if the French government very
>>> unfortunately turns down his visa application, preventing him from attending
>>> Bordeaux, these lost funds will be borne by Samson Goddy."
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance to any board members who can second this motion,
>>> thereby helping Samson/Scratch/Sugar move forward!
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Sugar-devel mailing list
>>> Sugar-***@lists.sugarlabs.org
>>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>>>
>>
>> While I think it is unconscionable for Sugar Labs not to shoulder the
>> responsibility of the visa on behalf of one of our members, I will
>> nonetheless second the motion, bad precedent and all, as it seems to be the
>> only way to get unstuck.
>>
>> -walter
>>
>> --
>> Walter Bender
>> Sugar Labs
>> http://www.sugarlabs.org
>>
>



--
Sameer Verma, Ph.D.
Professor, Information Systems
San Francisco State University
http://verma.sfsu.edu/
_______________________________________________
Lista olpc-Sur
olpc-***@lists.laptop.org
http://lis